Submitted by jtsg_ t3_z9x4o9 in dataisbeautiful
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NinjaLanternShark t1_iyj48eg wrote
I'm frequently surprised at how influential Twitter is despite a relatively small user base. You rarely hear anything about Pinterest in the news despite having close to double the user base.
Maybe the world would be better off if politicians and pundits had to express themselves through Pinterest boards instead of tweets :P
jtsg_ OP t1_iyj4uol wrote
Haha...True.
Pinterest should earn more for their users as it lends itself so well to shopping.
Really needs to do something about it.
HammerTh_1701 t1_iyj4y0j wrote
That's because Twitter is specifically being sought out by those people. The "shout into the void" style really seems to work for politicians and journalists.
VelhoTheVexed t1_iyj85aq wrote
I find it interesting how it dipped through 2020. I thought they would've earned more since basically everyone was online at the time.
NinjaLanternShark t1_iyja5kc wrote
That's a great point -- 75% of what you see are products. Surprised they're not monitizing it better.
youre_stoked t1_iyjeks1 wrote
Probably more “casual” users at that time, spending fewer dollars each.
risenphoenixkai t1_iyjmqm6 wrote
Unless I’m reading this chart wrong, then even if Twitter retains its current user base and ARPU, it will take over 12.5 years for it to have accumulated revenue in excess of its $44 billion purchase price.
With users and advertisers bailing on the platform in not insignificant numbers, that 12.5 years is only going to get a lot longer without some kind of positive changes.
musicandfood_2 t1_iyk8j5b wrote
Do we have financials for Reddit?
divacphys t1_iykdo0y wrote
I think it's usage. Those on Twitter will spend an hour a day on it. Pinterest might be an hour a month
attaboyyy t1_iykdsv0 wrote
You're reading the chart correctly for revenue but misinterpreting that revenue is not net-income. Twitter loses an average of $500M a year after all that revenue+costs which only makes his 44B purchase all the more perplexing. He far overpaid for a historically money losing venture, and sure if he can start to make it profitable, which happened twice in twit-history for an at best $1.5B that year .. that's a long 30yr/break even
attaboyyy t1_iyke0ni wrote
not a public company.
risenphoenixkai t1_iyke7df wrote
Ah yeah, fair enough. I forgot about totally unimportant things like overhead, operating costs, wages, taxes, etc. Though from the sounds of things, I’m not the only one who overlooked those…
ManicSheogorath t1_iykjliy wrote
Just wait till you see YouTube
HardWorking4Pennys t1_iykkn4g wrote
Awww that explains it :)
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Ok_Signature7481 t1_iykq2dn wrote
That pinterest number is monthly users, compared to twitters daily users, its hard to say which one actually has a larger base.
reykjabitch t1_iyl1sqa wrote
Surprising to me that Twitter makes as much as it does.
And that Pinterest makes as little as it does, since every woman I know who uses it primarily makes lists of things to buy for some hypothetical ultimate room / apartment.
Like Pinterest is literally like playing make believe in a mall. How is that not more profitable? Maybe a bunch of super casual users who use it like Tumblr or something?
I would have thought Twitter and Pinterest would be flipped.
trollsmurf t1_iylomr4 wrote
Meta is no doubt best at profiling users that is used to target ads, hence deemed to be more effective.
jtsg_ OP t1_iylpe8w wrote
Yeah their ad targeting products were very effective + they also went way more aggressive in harvesting user data from outside the FB platforms. Their ARPU is really strong b/c of that.
I'm curious to see how monetization suffers (if at all) after the IDFA changes from Apple.
akyantor t1_iylqpbe wrote
A lot of advertisers would have pulled their campaigns. You’re not going to advertise for businesses that are effectively closed (e.g. cinemas). The increase of user activity would actually manage this worse as you’d have increased supply of active users and lower demand.
OnlineRobotWizard t1_iyluz5p wrote
Would love to see YouTube on this list
jmlinden7 t1_iyoe591 wrote
Revenue vs profit
jmlinden7 t1_iyoed42 wrote
This is why it's hilarious when people think they should get paid a lot of money for their data. Your own data is worth like $5/year max. You might be able to generate $10-15 worth of ad revenue but it also costs $5-10 of computing and overhead to get that revenue, so no company is gonna pay more than $5/year for your data
jtsg_ OP t1_iyoentj wrote
Agreed. In terms of free cash flow per user..it's pennies and cents to the company
jtsg_ OP t1_iyj0nbd wrote
Few things stand out for me from the above chart:
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