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Jazzlike-Ad-5986 t1_ix7up4a wrote

I wish I could apply to only 14 jobs and get a hit

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stan-k OP t1_ix81x5u wrote

This depends mostly on the industry, role, economic cycle and seniority. Having said that, this is my approach. Perhaps there is something useful in there for you:

I believe in focused high quality job searching. Have a great standard CV, have it checked by friends or even former colleagues to be as good as possible. Then gather a number of job vacancies, keep adding to the list as time goes by. From there mark those for how well you fit their requirements, what their glassdoor score is, and how well they fit your desires (the resulting Excel graph is the source for this graph). Only then start applying to the top scorers of your list. Personalise each CV, that is highlighting and adding relevant experience, using the job description's language and key words, and something visual (bare minimum, using the company's brand colours for headers). Always make sure to ask for a salary range the first time you talk to a human, this will save time and disappointment.

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stan-k OP t1_ix7tygs wrote

Source: My job applications in 2022, specifically the Excel sheet I tracked my various job application in.

Tools: SankeyMATIC for the diagram, PowerPoint for the successful application route and background.

And this time posted on a Monday.

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k1ngsn0w t1_ix7uddq wrote

Hopefully you learned on starting to be more proactive in your job search as your only self-submitted ad led to a job offer.....

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stan-k OP t1_ix808sd wrote

It's close, but I don't think it's the right lesson here.

I would recommend to include checking the websites of all companies you know in your industry/expertise for job offers. But don't rely on it, this pool is too small. There was only a single hit for me out of about 30 companies, it just turned out to be a good hit!

For extra info, the one that got me the CxO interview was recruiter sourced, and the one I declined (because I now had an offer) was from a LinkedIn search.

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k1ngsn0w t1_ix81jqh wrote

Tbh I always find these types of graphics to be so pointless to begin with. Not only do we not know if you're actually qualified for the jobs you applied to, we also know nothing on your interview skills. Therefore this data tells me zip zilch nada.

Also - whats pre-sales manager? I've done vendor management for years and Ive never heard the title. Is it like the person who sets up calls for the sales manager?

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stan-k OP t1_ix830rd wrote

Fair enough. For me, it's a celebration of completing the job search. The benefit for the group is to show there is a lot of rejection even in a successful search. Seeing other people's reminded me of that.

PreSales is an annoying description that doesn't describe the role. It's also known as "Technical Sales", "Sales Engineering" or "Solutions Consulting". It boils down to supporting the sales team with product demonstrations, technical knowledge, and questionnaires, typically in B2B software. If you've ever seen "A hologram for the king", it's the people on Tom Hank's team that sit in the tent and prepare the hologram.

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glowstick90 t1_ix7ymg3 wrote

Could you share more details about the "Direct"?

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stan-k OP t1_ix7zid4 wrote

Yeah, that's not very clear, fair enough.

The whole first column is vacancies/job descriptions I liked. The direct one I found on the company's website. I basically went through all companies with decent glassdoor scores that I knew of in the industry. Most of them didn't have a suitable vacancy for me, and the one did.

Recruiters mostly reached out to me (I reached out to some I've used previously, but they didn't have any vacancies either).

LinkedIn I checked by searching their job postings for terms like "PreSales manager" and a few variations.

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glowstick90 t1_ix7zn9b wrote

Thank you for the explanation, I understand now. 😁

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