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Supercst t1_iwbn0l4 wrote

Interesting about political science. I wonder what drive the increase?

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Raukie t1_iwbse7s wrote

Is this data from the world population?

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Efficient_Bag_1619 t1_iwbt8bx wrote

How are both STEM and non STEM averages positive whilev overall average is negative?

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KassXWolfXTigerXFox t1_iwbvh3l wrote

If both STEM and non-STEM increased by 3%, how did the overall average go down by 2%?

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WiscoDisco14 t1_iwbzmyl wrote

These numbers make me feel better about my associate’s degree 😬

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EJG_Music t1_iwc069e wrote

You should at least state the inflation in the period, to contextualize those. A lot of the little blue arrows are just stagnation really.

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brchelmo t1_iwc2esh wrote

Computer Engineering up, Chemical Engineering down, this shows you the shift in our society from the physical to the digital

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xX0LucarioXx t1_iwc3hy8 wrote

Oh so happy I chose philosophy 😓

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marigolds6 t1_iwc3scy wrote

There is no way this is accurate for geography majors. $50k is would bottom decile (edit: for 3-10 years experience) based on the industry surveys I regularly see (Directions Magazine, GISUser, gisjobs, etc), and large percentages of geography majors work within their major field.

Edit: I see that geography has both the 3rd highest unemployment as well as the highest coefficient of variation for unemployment by a wide margin. And far lower degree holder numbers than are estimated. I suspect the survey is using a strict definition of the geography major and excluding geographic information systems and sciences majors.

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marigolds6 t1_iwc8dn9 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#526,803)

Added some context above. When i said bottom decile, i was referring to the experience range for people that age. At my experience range (15-20 years), we are having to offer salaries in the $150-200k range to be competitive in hiring.

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bnogal t1_iwc8rvf wrote

Computer engineer doing sub that chart.

EU based.

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bigbadbillyd t1_iwcahju wrote

flexes in international relations BA and MS

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EJG_Music t1_iwcmvib wrote

Replying to tico_pico (#527,752)

Ok thanks, but there is an asterisk next to it like if there was one above in the graph or the text that refers to it, but there were none. It's quite bizarre.

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SoloBaricsFTW t1_iwcxisr wrote

I’d be curious to see how the trades factor into this

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zebulon99 t1_iwd6acg wrote

Replying to jonny24eh (#528,027)

Maybe Emgineering is an umbrella for all types of engineering including CS, EE and others while General Emgineering is a collection of more niche fields like aerospace or maritime engineering (aka the "physical")

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letskeepitcleanfolks t1_iwd92zc wrote

Discouraging to see that the value we place on education is getting even lower.

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King_Trasher t1_iwdavkd wrote

Hell yeah, 3%

Over 9 years of inflation that's almost a fraction of the raise there should have been to account for the steady devaluation of currency and rising living expenses

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Nemissary t1_iwdbgto wrote

My degree is in Religious Studies, the lowest paid on the chart, but my career is in Computer Engineering, the highest paid on the chart. Nothing says you have to do what you went to school for, I don't think I've ever even been asked about what I studied in school in a job interview before.

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nomadic_main t1_iwdk99l wrote

At 25 I was below the lowest point on the graph and now at 29 I make more than the highest point

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redsoxman17 t1_iwdnxly wrote

Replying to jonny24eh (#528,027)

It's been a while since I was in school, but "General Engineering" was actually a degree track. As in there were specific requirements for that degree and I presume "General Engineering" was on the diploma.

"Engineering" is likely an aggregate of all the Engineering degrees (Chem, mechanical, electrical, General, etc).

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sdfree0172 t1_iwdx24x wrote

This is US data, I assume. Hard to show mean incomes in the US. The cost of living and wages change a lot based on location. DC and San Fran are not at all similar to Biloxi, MI or Gary, IN - like over 2x salary difference. In DC, no engineer would earn anything on this list for the most part. I can’t even hire new grads for under $80k in engineering.

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Dragon-Ash t1_iwedrom wrote

Anyone studying religion deserves what they get, but wtf, education should be at the far right of that chart.

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xX0LucarioXx t1_iwercic wrote

Replying to whiffling_waterfowl (#531,756)

It's three fold.

  1. Firstly, this just my opinion. I give the West 40 years of stability (and that's my optimistic side) - whether it'll be climate related or political tensions - I personally don't think the US will go through that time period without a civil, revolutionary, or climate war. Let alone dragging every nation into it. Again that's just my pessimism - so I was like hell, if the worlds going to shit at least coming out of the ashes I'll have an important role to play being one who studied morality, ethics, thought, astronomy, stem, and whatever else you want to fit under the umbrella that is Philosophy. I personally just think of it as the school of thought. Augustine put it so eloquently, "Whilst [scientists] study the truth, philosophers study the author of the truth" (from his Confessions if y'all wanna read). I felt as though the history of philosophy fits with this idea very well and it gave my pessimism some hope.

  2. Secondly, I am not sure how much of an impact this had (but it definitely had some), I love Naruto. Like loved the show as a kid and grew up the same age as Naruto when Shippuden came out - and I was fascinated by the fact a world can exist of villains and heroes, each justified in their own right, yet each acting in such opposite ways all for the sake of themselves or others. As Madara said - with way too much accuracy - "Wake up to reality! Nothing ever goes as planned in this accursed world. The longer you live, the more you realize that the only things that truly exist in this reality are merely pain, suffering and futility. Listen, everywhere you look in this world, wherever there is light, there will always be shadows to be found as well. As long as there is a concept of victors, the vanquished will also exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace, initiates war. and hatred is born in order to protect love. There are nexuses causal relationships that cannot be separated." I have been searching for an answer to this and truly believe philosophy was a route not only to understanding those nexuses, but understanding how they create a world of villains and heroes, good and bad, black and white, each justified in its own right.

  3. Thirdly, I loved the ancient Greeks. Socrates I wish there were more of and Plato, oml Plato (mind you a close ancestor to Alexander the Great) wrote such beautiful ideas. Not only challenging religion, but challenging the world order of Athens, and the relation that city state had to the world. He shaped some of the greatest minds and helped build parts of society that stretch into our modern laws, policies, and morals. But what about them made me choose philosophy? The allegory of the cave really. Understanding it not as a story format, but as an evolution of knowledge that one ought to seek. To not only be aware of our beliefs, but to grow to understand where those beliefs were formed, and to understand the knowledge which guided those beliefs to fruition. And finally in what way the knowledge and beliefs we have tie us to the nexuses of the world (a tl;dr is probably best if googled). If knowledge was not isolated in any one major than why narrow my mind to simply math or computer science or economics when the knowledge I was seeking was entirely different.

I apologize if this doesn't quite answer the curiosity - as my first comment might look I am in doubt if it was worth it (luckily I doubled in political science 🥵I can gladly become one of our corrupt politicians lol)

Tl;dr 1st. Worlds going to shit, the aftermath will need thinkers. 2nd. Naruto Shippuden, Madara's speech and the world of humans forced into "bad" and "good" actions, each justified in their own choices. 3rd. The Greeks: Socrates, Plato (specifically his allegory of the cave).

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Phil_Smiles t1_iwfpg5p wrote

Odd that there isnt physiks or chemistry but biology and chemical engineering

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tuskofgothos t1_iwg3187 wrote

Replying to xX0LucarioXx (#531,975)

This is a really fascinating response! Thank you!

  1. To your first point, I am not a Westerner, but I do not share your skepticism regarding the prospects of the West and the world as a whole, at least in terms of timeline. I think it will take longer, but as you said, a decline will happen. I also think it is on the worldwide scale, not just for the West. It's very interesting to me that this line of thinking led you to become not a hedonist, but a philosopher.
  2. As a bit of an anime fan, I find it interesting that Naruto and its characters had such an influence on your thinking and choice of career. Naruto in and of itself does pose some interesting philosophical questions, especially if you consider what happened to Pain and his village. Out of interest, what do you think about the philosophy of One Piece (if you happen to follow that story as well).
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xX0LucarioXx t1_iwl7uat wrote

Replying to tuskofgothos (#534,446)

I'm about halfway through One Piece rn😁😁I will send you a message once I'm done - with my thoughts -- at the pace I'm watching it'll be a couple weeks I think (work is dumb gives me no time).

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