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Flaifel7 t1_ixl3ezm wrote
This can be replaced with electric power and nuclear power plants. As more and more companies build electric cars, Qataris will adopt them and the Qatari government has the money to invest in new energy infrastructure when they need to. They represent a tiny percentage of emissions. Per capita they are high but Qatar has less than 3 million people.
Flaifel7 t1_ixl3gyx wrote
Plus, the Qatari population is tiny. This graph is per capita which is incredibly misleading.
Sol3dweller t1_ixl589e wrote
Hm, here is the table on per-capita CO2 emissions of all countries.
Qatar still takes the lead there in 2021 (here are the top 3):
- Qatar: 35.59 tons (+38% compared to 1990)
- Bahrain: 26.66 tons (+11% compared to 1990)
- Kuwait: 24.97 tons (+11% compared to 1990)
World average: 4.69 tons (+10% compared to 1990).
Average of high income countries: 10.27 tons (-16% compared to 1990).
Goal we need to reach: less than 2 tons.
Sol3dweller t1_ixl5hqh wrote
Why should a tiny minority be granted the luxury of having excessive carbon emissions? (This doesn't only apply to Qatari but all "rich" people with high carbon emissions.)
Per-capita emissions aren't misleading, at least if your aim is a just society based on equal rights.
Flaifel7 t1_ixl5m8f wrote
It’s universal that the richer you are the higher your carbon footprint. Including rich people from USA or any other country. Now qatar is one of the richest nations per capita and so it would make sense their emissions would match that. What’s so confusing?
ignost t1_ixl63dp wrote
Qatar is indeed not a model for a sustainable future. It's one of the worst in terms of sheer wastefulness and not giving a shit. I'd feel better if my country, a large western nation with plenty of resources, could at least acknowledge the problem on both sides of the aisle. We can look down on Qatar, but in the case of the US and Australia we're looking down from a stepping stool.
Sol3dweller t1_ixl6u9i wrote
It's not confusing at all. I am pointing out that the metric of per-capita emissions is not misleading, but rather instructive. Highlighting that the rich with this high carbon emissions are far from sustainability.
Also, it is not a necessity that richer people have a higher carbon footprint. Compare Switzerland and Trinidad and Tobago, for example.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixl78ca wrote
Not necessarily Sweden, Singapore, and France all enjoy some of the highest standards of living and GDP per capita but don't have anywhere near the same levels of carbon emissions. My own own home country of Australia is not far away from Qatar. It is almost triple those other nations but still less than half the Qatar emissions.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixl7chp wrote
It won't be if emissions are allowed to continue unabated.
heisen204berg t1_ixl8qeq wrote
Anyone surprised by Australia like I am? 2nd?
internetperson94276 t1_ixl9yga wrote
Ah yes. Emissions are the problem here, clearly. Not, you know, the entire religious dogma that informs and entitles the people to continue perpetuating and celebrating horrific human rights abuses out in the open.
IamreallynotaNPC t1_ixlb7v1 wrote
Yeah but why did they have use purple 3 damn times in the chart. Not sure which is gas, cement, and other.
Edit: Nevermind me.
LurkingChessplayer t1_ixlbpn1 wrote
It’s actually way down if you look at it historically for Qatar
Jampine t1_ixldvge wrote
The Australian government has been deep in the pockets of coal and oil industries for years, so the point they've suffocated wind and solar development despite being literally the world's largest desert island.
They've also been really obtrusive about electric vehicles, and put bullshit rules in sce to try and block them, in a government act called "FFS".
No, really.
GQManOfTheYear t1_ixldzf9 wrote
What's not looking good is your title. They're an oil exporting nation. By definition, they deal in exporting oil. If this was a race toward cleaner energy, America would be at the bottom.
_MuadDib_ t1_ixleqmj wrote
The colors are not great, but you might be color blind. The cement is not purple but teal.
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Redvomit t1_ixlg6wx wrote
No, not really. This is such a reductive and misinformed argument.
Australia deals with a triple whammy of large distances, arid climate and low population density. We have high emissions per capita, largely because of mining and agriculture which is primarily exported. We don't have a manufacturing industry of significance, so renewable infrastructure has to be imported. We don't have nuclear energy, though we were an early adopter of hydropower (in the few places where it works).
People will criticise a lot of countries without understanding the drivers, and realistic policies affecting renewable adoption. Australia will switch to renewables fairly quickly as the tech matures, but I'd be wary of people who think the reasons can be easily explained by politics alone.
IamreallynotaNPC t1_ixlglsc wrote
Ahhh. Yeah... I am colorblind... didn't realize. Thanks for pointing that out. Feel like a buffoon. Idk how but I have a hard time with purple and green and the darker it is the harder it is to tell.
Anyway thank you for telling me.
Edit: If I shut off my blue filter I can tell the difference. Not a ton, but yeah the blue filter isn't helping in that sense. Mentally noted.
Caspi7 t1_ixliioh wrote
Maybe both are a problem
mmarollo t1_ixlikiq wrote
Reasonable and accurate replies are not appreciated on Reddit. Please rewrite your response, but from a politically tribal POV.
mmarollo t1_ixliss0 wrote
American emissions are dropping, unlike most of the world.
Redvomit t1_ixlithj wrote
Liberal party bad.
Hackmource t1_ixlkt7t wrote
A giant solar farm was just recently inaugurated which can supply 10% of peak electricity usage. There have also been a lot of investment into electric cars in the shape of putting up a lot of charging areas at metro stations and places of interest.
crimsoncalamitas t1_ixll8nz wrote
literally not because of religion china, russia, and many western countries do that too
Sexynarwhal69 t1_ixllm0h wrote
Yeah, if it wasn't for our mining industry, our emissions would be vastly lower. But we'd also have a GDP akin to indonesia
IamSarasctic t1_ixlnnpn wrote
Not on a rainy day
ppparty t1_ixlpjdt wrote
also, Cuba is pretty fucking repressive, but it's also incredibly sustainable and forward-looking
MyFatHamsterSteve t1_ixlq2bh wrote
You'll have to be more specific than that.
nkj94 t1_ixlr4jc wrote
It accounts for the total population of ~3 Million and Not just the Citizens population of ~300k
Total emissions: 95.67 Mt, Total population: 2.93 m, Per capita emissions 32.65 t
Flashwastaken t1_ixlsmmg wrote
I don’t understand your argument. Do you think that if you’re rich, you should be allowed to fuck the planet more?
alexjones85 OP t1_ixlszdm wrote
It's actually mainly due to our agricultural sector if you're including methane emissions in the total greenhouse gas emissions. Land use change has created the greatest shift in overall carbon emissions so far.
My analysis so far see what you think?
alexjones85 OP t1_ixltfh6 wrote
Solid analysis. It does seem likely that we will shift quickly to renewables quickly now. Would love your thoughts on this clip I made?
https://youtu.be/qgyfnAhpFXY
alexjones85 OP t1_ixltuu1 wrote
Australia is always slow to the party. It seems we often have to wait for big bro America to lead the charge. Quite literally when it comes to electric vehicles ;) ;)
But it seems like the political powers are starting to realise coal and gas won't last forever so we need to find new resources to export. This could happen with renewable power to places like Singapore. Uranium for nuclear reactors. And battery raw materials such nickel and lithium.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixlu56p wrote
Yep true! Norway did and now they have the biggest sovereign wealth fund in the world! The citizens of the country are all essentially stockholders in their fossil fuel resource. Now they can use that massive capital to invest in more sustainable technologies. Pretty genius from a purely economic perspective.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixluob8 wrote
Yeah historical/cumulative emissions is a definite factor but hopefully shouldn't be used as a get out of jail card either. Developed nations definitely need to support sustainable infrastructure in developing countries. It seems like Qatar is now far more on the developed than the developing side of the equation.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixlv9v2 wrote
Utility solar tends to provide power when the sun is high and not during hours of peak demand which is normally from 7-10am and 4-9pm. But I could be wrong for Qatar weather and demand cycles. Where are you getting this figure of 10% of peak electricity from?
Redvomit t1_ixlwlyn wrote
The sound mixing needs work. The music was so loud I couldn't really hear you talk so I turned it off. You should probably EQ your voice as well
glefe t1_ixlx1t7 wrote
The impact of emissions is not inherently about humans.
majormajor42 t1_ixly88g wrote
1963, wow. Per capita all are coming down but…
Is flaring just wasting gas at the wells and refinery?
davidtheexcellent t1_ixlyy8y wrote
A mix of things can be used or made from natural gas, fertilizer can and is one of Qatar's main exports.
ppparty t1_ixm2dip wrote
oh yeah, Cubans themselves are very very socially progressive. Frankly, as someone born behind the Iron Curtain myself, we've never thought of Cuba as "communist like us", I've always had the impression they were kinda pushed into it by the needless US antagonizing and that's how it still is today.
cervidaetech t1_ixm75id wrote
They already didn't look good as slave driving murderers and theocratic nutjobs either
k-dot77 t1_ixmcrhy wrote
The westerners on here willing to overlook their genocide of natives, butchering of slaves, slave trade, rampant insurance corruption, minimum wages that are under poverty lines,
just say "hey....they....they're doing the thing....they can't do that we already did it".
Remember the UK had TRADE ROUTES for legitimate slave trade sanctioned by the east India trading co.
saltthefries t1_ixmhhdb wrote
They export most of their gas as LNG which has to be chilled to -254 F. That's where almost all of their emissions go.
Digitalanalogue_ t1_ixmijsv wrote
…what does have to do with what Qatar is doing?
Efficient_Comment_50 t1_ixmizkb wrote
I will not sleep tonight… people trying to point fingers. Let’s start with Germany killing millions, Russia another millions, France uncountable, Spain and Portugal another uncountable number of natives. And now a retarded getting crazy because the Qatar is producing the gas to run the factories and comfortable houses in Germany and all the heck Europe. HYPOCRITES!!! Don’t listen them.
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k-dot77 t1_ixmkarm wrote
Comment literally explains what it has to do with Qatar, there's a backstory and everything lol
Legitswarmingurcross t1_ixmkkze wrote
What aboutism. Lets ignore this huge problem bcuz they used to do this, dogshit argument
Legitswarmingurcross t1_ixmkmvh wrote
What aboutism 🥱🥱🥱
phenomduck t1_ixmnabz wrote
Being punished for the acts of the dead. Just plain cruelty.
Soft-Covfefe t1_ixmnnnp wrote
*Acid rain has entered the chat*
Digitalanalogue_ t1_ixmobr9 wrote
Yeh but its the equivalent of me having been in jail for armed robbery telling other people not to rob a store. Just because the west did bad things doesnt mean they dont have a point. Challenge their motivations not the message.
jaytee158 t1_ixmpzhe wrote
Qatar's doing exactly the same thing, it has the 9th largest. Norway doesn't have the biggest sovereign wealth fund, it's 3rd.
Also, before we go praising Norway without critique: https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/09/08/norway-is-profiting-embarrassingly-from-war-in-europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sovereign_wealth_funds
jaytee158 t1_ixmq59t wrote
Did you look at the chart, or not?
jaytee158 t1_ixmqann wrote
It doesn't. It exports almost all of it.
Also hot countries do have high energy usage for things like air conditioning.
k-dot77 t1_ixn0m7w wrote
Was never an argument, an observation. Criminals don't have a high horse to sit on, and that works both ways. No one is right, but no one is better.
k-dot77 t1_ixn1yvh wrote
Not really, "bad things" doesn't summarize centuries most criminal behavior in history. It is not the same.
A better analogy would be you having murdered, raped, pillaged and become rich off of hundreds of innocent lives, and THEN telling someone not to rob a store.
Qatar could take a lesson on morality, but not from the west. The west does not have a high horse to sit on.
I have nothing against the modern western world but I have something to say about hypocrisy.
DoctorWTF t1_ixnh3ua wrote
Yeah, fuck them, what would they need air conditioning for....
user_x9000 t1_ixnha6d wrote
So? We should live in the past or learn from it and look at the future ?
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white-rose-0 t1_ixnhcxs wrote
Isn’t the chart misleading since oil production is considered a burden of the producing country in this graph? But much of this oil is actually exported to western economies for burning.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixnnfva wrote
Yeah analysing consumption as opposed to just production is a good point. Both should ideally be considered.
HankRivera t1_ixnofz3 wrote
Post this on /r/qatar and take cover for „Whatabout…, West bad, Qatar good, suppressing Muslims, western arrogance, but Israel, but USA, but Nazis!” and so on.
alexjones85 OP t1_ixnqtyl wrote
Consumption in Qatar is still very high: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~QAT
They are definitely burning it themselves as well as exporting.
vladimir_pimpin t1_ixnqv4f wrote
I mean idk which country you’re from but the US has passed legislation and funding for 40% CO2 reduction by 2030. Seems like we’re allowed to at least look at a graph and be like “huh, that’s a lot of CO2 per capita
RDMvb6 t1_ixnur7v wrote
I would really like to know what part of their emissions are due just to residential and commercial air conditioning. I know their total emissions are very high but if they literally implemented every energy conservation method know to man, they still have to cool their homes to something less hot than the third layer of hell. They will probably always be towards the top of this list but that is at least partially unavoidable due to their location in a very hot area.
Digitalanalogue_ t1_ixnva1z wrote
Sure but you can still tell someone when something is wrong. Just because they were animals before doesnt mean their message is meaningless.
Osamaseemo t1_ixo0o9e wrote
I know this comment probably will not be seen by many but I will write it anyway.
this data doesn't mean anything, why?
imagine if you build a whole country, roads, schools, hospitals and so on; and then you put just 10 people to live that country.
the Co2 per capita will be so high, if 10,000 lived in the same country the Co2 per capita will be so low. and that what is happening here.
So what is this data mean?
it means that Qatar is a developed country with small population which is true.
Co2 per capita is not useful in very small nation and also in very large nation
gigglegoggles t1_ixogkf9 wrote
Usually if they are not capturing the gas it is because the economics just don’t work out.
On the extraction side, it’s usually a matter of not being close enough to pipelines/infrastructure.
On the refinery side, flare systems typically connect a variety of units and are there for emergency venting during a process upset. Because the gases come from multiple product streams, they need to be separated to be sold or are just used as fuel for the furnaces. In either case, for the time and effort, refiners are usually better off trying to reduce system upsets.
It is a shame what we do to our environment and it is wasteful.
Source: used to work for a refiner.
ignost t1_ixohkbs wrote
Come on, at no point did I remotely attempt to tell you what you're allowed to think. I applaud any progress too. This is just what I think: that we in the US have had the resources to do much better, and I wish we were further along today. Same for Australia. And I really wish a large portion of the country wasn't so anti science that they don't even agree that man made climate change is even a thing.
makeit52 t1_ixoi0sd wrote
This person talks like he’s trying too hard to sound smart.
BilingualThrowaway01 t1_ixoiexu wrote
I mean, they're currently using huge air conditioners to cool down OUTDOOR STADIUMS. They really don't give a fuck about sustainability.
BilingualThrowaway01 t1_ixoih7w wrote
Fun fact: you can criticise two things simultaneously
somewhat_irrelevant t1_ixom4hi wrote
As in they use that much or export that amount?
kdjoeyyy t1_ixoqq6g wrote
Qatar is trying to change that
ScoobiusMaximus t1_ixowiuv wrote
His argument may be reductive but it isn't untrue. Australia could make great use of solar installations for energy generation at a local level regardless of how remote places are, and wind in a lot of places as well. The Australian government has been a major obstacle to progress in regards to any form of climate action.
_CHIFFRE t1_ixp66yw wrote
yep surely if we cut out some super wealthy part of the Usa and look at per capita emissions we'd see the same.
would actually be a good idea, Co2 Emissions by County or City in the Usa, probably not possible though..
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DblDzl t1_ixl2d78 wrote
In other news, the sky is blue.