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chartr OP t1_iuwjlv5 wrote

Thought it would be worth looking at the proposed "freemium" model from Musk and co.

Originally wrote this in my newsletter here.

Source: Twitter

Tool: Microsoft Excel

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darthshadow25 t1_iuwllaz wrote

Thanks to taking it private, he doesn't have to worry too much about profits. So he is probably going to reduce the profit margin by a bit. Also, it seems he is interested in cutting some fat from operating costs, so maybe that will help out too. So long as we see fewer ads, I'm all for it.

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darthshadow25 t1_iuwnjk0 wrote

I haven't heard about him wanting to increase ads. And I don't think I like the idea of ads feeling like content, unless that means the ads will be taking a less predatory form, and therefore feel more genuine, but that's certainly not going to be the case.

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boogrit t1_iux1cnu wrote

Damn. Crazy to look at the numbers laid out like this. Charging for a check mark for verified users is just a drop in the bucket looking at the big picture. A subscription-based system may not be the best way to profitability... but what other options are there?

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HieronymusGoa t1_iux4ca4 wrote

and twitter ads were already the ugly children of fb/insta- and sem-ads. advertisers are already fleeing twitter and theyll probably not be coming back. unless they are breitbart or smth :)

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dex3r t1_iux71l6 wrote

He is not the sole investor, I'm not so sure if they won't be anxious about not turning profit. Actually, I'm sure. They will be anxious, even more than before.

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supified t1_iux95vu wrote

My understanding is there just arn't profits, twitter is operating at a loss. A problem he maybe making worse. I'm not sure how long he'd be willing to foot that sort of bill.

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chicagotim1 t1_iuxaeom wrote

It looks like you are not considering ad revenue from un-paid non "verified" active users which would still presumably be the main income stream.

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stellarinterstitium t1_iuxeqks wrote

I think they need to recognize that the platform itself is not the value of the offering, it's all the people who participate/provide content. Because of this, there should be a minimal expectation of massive returns. Why should the people providing the value do the paying to support high returns for billionaires?

The platform only fails against the weight of unreasonable expectations for high margin returns from minimal value added. Private ownership should able to filter out these unreasonable expectations that primarily come from the rent-seeking investor class aka Wall St.

Operating cost cuts are fair game to increase this margin, but not at the expense of reducing the quality of participant submissions, which erodes the value of the platform if not protected.

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skantanio t1_iuxnx33 wrote

Yeah 8 seems like kinda an arbitrary number, so I feel like they put thought into it. But then again, it’s Elon, so I wouldn’t doubt he didn’t have the foresight to even do a mental multiplication to see if the magnitudes line up (couple hundred thousand verified users * not even 10 dollars = a few tens of million dollars = like 0.0002% of what he spent on Twitter overall)

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BorderlineCreative t1_iuxw4xz wrote

Your best bet is to lower your own expenses and rely on AD revenue. You start making people pay for the service and they’ll just leave to another competitor who makes they money off of data mining. All it will take is for Elon doing something super fucked up and enough celebrities to leave twitter to a new competitor that appeals to the younger generation and it’s done. He’s not making his 44 billion back anytime soon and definitely not be the time a competitor starts up that lures in user base.

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Sea-Bodybuilder-8663 t1_iuxynej wrote

I thought:

$8 was to be a 'verified'/blue check user; he had dropped from $20

Verified users were 'blue check' users, essentially content creators paying to be on the platform (as an authentic user, verified);

Why is the "Hypothetical new revenue" the same color as the AD revenue?

Was the point to show that even at Max subscriptions the main revenue is still ads?

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bamboozled_bubbles t1_iuy6yxq wrote

The danger of a purely ad-based platform is that the entire incentive structure is based on volume of impressions/engagement which conflicts with aiming for credible content. If charging celebrities $8/m means they can afford to govern the platform better, maybe it’ll work.

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Soswix t1_iuy7oia wrote

Who will pay 8$ per month for that shitshow? 😂 I dont even use it for free 😅

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amadmongoose t1_iuyoaqh wrote

The graph is kind of hard to read, it shows current revenue on the left and new revenue on the right, aka total new revenue would be current+new. Since new is <2bil and current is 5bil you are right, it would still be a significant uplift however.

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Dr_Adequate t1_iuypa85 wrote

Yup. And I saw another chart earlier that may show what's behind his thought process. For other large social media companies, the revenue-per-employee ratio is big, something like $1MM per employee, while for Twitter it's about half that, $500k per FTE.

Which is likely what's driving his desire to fire so many. If he can keep it limping along with a lower headcount, the revenue-per-employee goes up, and he can say he's just as smart as the people running other large social media platforms.

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Mattie725 t1_iuyxvux wrote

Step one is not profitability. It's cleaning up the platform.

I don't understand why people ignore the reasons Elon literally gives. (just kidding, I do understand - don't agree- people just want to hate anything he does...) There is, or Elon believes there is a massive bot problem. Verified accounts will be more prominent. No scammer is going to pay 8$ a month for each of his thousand bots so they get pushed down.

Now, am I a fan of pushing down actual people who don't want to pay? No. But can we please stop ignoring the legitimate parts of his reasoning?

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windigo3 t1_iuz3p9u wrote

What’s the analysis of their ad revenue if three quarters of the users stop using the app?

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leg_day t1_iuzkbtp wrote

4% paying $8/mo doesn't even cover the interest payments on the leveraged buyout.

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ArkGuardian t1_iuzo72y wrote

How many celebrities do you think there are? A significant portion of the user base has to opt in for this to work. Granted there are businesses that have been successful in getting significant portions of its audience to opt in to payment for features over ads, but Twitter needs a really compelling value prop for people to do that

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phdpeabody t1_iv0gws2 wrote

One thing this chat isn’t looking at?

Would Twitter still be collecting 90% of the advertising revenue, if 10% of the people were paying for their subscription. Or even better, would they still be collecting 100% of the revenue, with non-subscribing users just seeing 10% more advertising.

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phdpeabody t1_iv0h5s5 wrote

All the people participating would argue the platform is the value. So in business, Twitter provides utility value, in that the technology is capable of providing services to the customer, as well as network value, in that the number of customers participating in those services provide a unique value to the customers.

The customers provide neither of these values to the service.

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M3rkaba- t1_iv15i21 wrote

Need a bunch of ideas and see what sticks! New features and revenue ideas. Must find profitability and maintain it. Must increase & diversify revenue streams. 4% users, $8/m= $1B! Subscription tiers is confirming 'value in the "Blue Check" - via journalists, big business, celebs, politico's, etc.

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the_scign t1_iv1a7aj wrote

Looking forward to seeing how they get all the bots and fake accounts to pony up.

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Penzare t1_iv22huk wrote

There is absolutely no way in hell over 2% of users will pay any amount of money to be verified. Not a chance. The graph should have been in smaller increments.

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