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Amazing-Row-5963 t1_iu8wein wrote
What's with the distorted shapes?
TheGhostOfInky t1_iu8wm4g wrote
Your map uses #993232 for Switzerland but the tool returns #e24f44, a significantly lighter shade, did you pillarbox the flag with black borders?
tatakatakashi t1_iu8xdi0 wrote
Don’t you mean the European ethnographic map lolol
DieFichte t1_iu8z22m wrote
Was kinda confused how a red flag with white in it returns dark red. Atleast it seems it used the square flag and not the rectangular one.
sentient02970 t1_iu908td wrote
They've been through a rough couple of centuries.
pheellprice t1_iu90fcm wrote
Is this based on the actual percentages? I think (though I’m not certain) that there’s more white in the central band of France than in the Union Flag.
realiDevil360 t1_iu914vh wrote
Almost none of these make sense. Switzerland's official red for example ranges between #FF0000 (brightest version) and #B02121 (darkest version), so even if we were to take the darkest shade of red, mixed with a 25-40% ratio of white (due to different proportion versions), this would certainly make it a darker pinkish color like Austria or Norway
MethodicalProgrammer t1_iu93j04 wrote
Because averaging colors is arbitrary and the results depend on the color space. The tool they used averages colors in non-linear sRGB which gives unexpected results when doing any kind of color math like averaging and interpolating. They could convert to a linear or perceptually uniform color space like CIEXYZ or CIELab, average, and convert back to sRGB to get a more expected result, but it's still an arbitrary result.
BaronVonLazercorn t1_iu93jyu wrote
I think you meant the colour created when combined
felixrocket7835 t1_iu949rj wrote
Missing the flags of the UK
jtkme t1_iu94cq9 wrote
While it's nice to plot colors, to me this is a good example of average being a meaningless statistic for a set of data.
What does the average of a set of colors mean? What does it tell a person?
If you pick random colors per country does it look the same as this map? I'm guessing it does. If so, the data is telling you nothing.
How about plotting the age of the flag for each country as a heatmap?
jtkme t1_iu94p6j wrote
Color averaging can be interesting for photos, but there it's a visual effect not a data conveyance.
How about taking the average or top colors of all photos taken in a country and rendering it on the map?
ChosenYasuo t1_iu95ehz wrote
Bosnias colors are white yellow and blue, how tf do you get gray?
azaghal1988 t1_iu95rcb wrote
Looks more like a desaturated orange to me, but yeah, we take the brown problem pretty seriously :)
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alreadyhaveanaccou t1_iu96hzv wrote
Ireland looks like a box of amberleaf
SRFBoston t1_iu96j13 wrote
Because blue + yellow = green. Same reason Spain is orange. Their flag is yellow and red.
TheMagnificentCnut t1_iu97dx1 wrote
Why would someone let facts get in the way of their opinion? You have been on the internet before?
(Disclaimer: not sure if N.I. is legally a country per se, but don’t even want to open that Pandora’s box of geo-politics and cause any offence to anyone)
gitty7456 t1_iu99qpd wrote
Exactly: they should look like Poland.. pink
Sarnadas t1_iu9bqjq wrote
Agreed. Greece should be a lighter shade of blue, but yet it’s purplish?
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R3lay0 t1_iu9imrz wrote
*The UK thinks it's 4 countries
R3lay0 t1_iu9ispd wrote
I don't think that's the problem here, the tool they're using gives a different value
ikarus2k t1_iu9jq05 wrote
Surface area is also ignored. There's very little white in the union jack, but UK has the same color as France.
Xeludon t1_iu9makm wrote
It is 4 countries.
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are 4 separate countries.
luraleekitty t1_iu9mzwv wrote
I get it now, the person who created this is color blind. That's why it's not making sense to us
LouisdeRouvroy t1_iu9nezi wrote
France's blue is darker though...
Yoerin t1_iu9no93 wrote
It also feels like it was turned? Something is off with that map
naghus t1_iu9q7cw wrote
I computed the average color of the Swiss flag in the RGB colorspace, and the average color should be #FF3333. The value in the map is #993232, I have no idea how they could have obtained this.
Details: The swiss flag is a square divided in 1024 sub-squares, of these 204 are white (let's use #FFFFFF, although it's undefined), and 820 are red (#FF0000, as defined by law).
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escalinci t1_iu9xuty wrote
Which is pretty fucking ironic given the state of that country for those who happen to be gay.
killereggs15 t1_iu9zfgx wrote
I mean… pink isnt what id consider a ‘gay’ color. You could say its girly, but yknow Poland has more girls than gays.
Khaylain t1_iua1684 wrote
Well, you could probably take the wavelength and times that with the area fraction of the flag, find the specific average you want (arithmetic mean, median, mode) and then turn the wavelength calculated back into the corresponding visible colour.
dddd0 t1_iua1pcl wrote
Well they do now, after tens of thousands of alt-right fucks marched in the streets, public figures got assaulted or killed etc. for the longest time the German police did approximately fuck-all about them.
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Relative_Challenger t1_iua3nfa wrote
It might be different in other countries, but where I'm from (the Netherlands) pink is definitely associated with gayness. After the second world war, when gay men in concentration camps were forced to wear a pink triangle badge, the symbol and color were reclaimed as symbols for queer rights. And even though the rainbow flag is now a more well-known symbol, it is still quite common for LGBTQ+ spaces/events to signify their intended audience by calling themselves 'pink bars/parties/...'.
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chessrook4242 t1_iua57vc wrote
Unless you’re Lil Yachty, I’m which case it’s purple
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Some-Register-3901 t1_iua7ks0 wrote
So apparently my country's white
pastelkawaiibunny t1_iua8ip1 wrote
That’s what irritates me. It’s absolutely useless. Looking at this, if I didn’t know better I’d say that most countries have flags that are brown or purple (like you could assume with other ‘average’ stats). But no, that’s absolutely wrong. I don’t think any European country actually has those as a main color. This really doesn’t tell me anything useful about flags.
Tallying up individual colors and getting a mean or mode from that would be a lot better- I expect you’d get red or blue, but it would be an interesting distribution to see.
WaffleSeriously t1_iuaa7zp wrote
Sometimes data is pretty fuckin useless
Robert7027 t1_iuabyeh wrote
Why the FUCK are we averaging the colors of European flags?
Tmaster95 t1_iuad07f wrote
Yes, but that has no statistical relevancy and doesn’t say anything important about the flag or the country
R3lay0 t1_iuaeti0 wrote
There's no meaningful difference between UK "countries" and other federalistic subdivisions
Xeludon t1_iuaf0r0 wrote
There really is, completely different people, completely different cultures and completely different languages.
Here is "Hello, how are you today?" In Welsh, Scottish and Irish;
Welsh; "Helo, sut wyt ti heddiw?"
Scottish; "Halo, Ciamar a tha thu an-diugh?"
Irish; "Dia duit conas atá tú inniu?"
dumbbinch99 t1_iuahovo wrote
Right?? I was staring at that for a minute like ummm what :-( 🇧🇦❤️
imstillwhite t1_iuauf2a wrote
More like r/dataisuseless I'm sorry mate, but the amount of information in this graph is below zero, with 0 set as "countries coloured with their flags".
Recent_Difference367 t1_iuauf7u wrote
Quite blood soaked all in all
R3lay0 t1_iuaynnc wrote
And what percentage in those "countries" speaks those languages? Not that it really matters many actual countries have different languages and cultures within them.
Xeludon t1_iub392a wrote
It depends.
The English tried to commit genocide against the natives of all 3 countries, so the most spoken was English, however the countries are all gaining the language back and its been steadily growing.
The outer islands and lands of Scotland speak Gælic almost exclusively with most Scots speaking something called "Scots" which is a kind of hybrid.
They have tv channels exclusively in Scottish gælic.
Road signs are also in gælic.
In Wales, road signs are all in Welsh, with the number of people who speak Welsh as their first and only language growing heavily.
They have many TV channels which are exclusively in Welsh. 29% of the population of Wales speak Welsh, the number grows higher constantly.
In Ireland, all road signs are in Irish Gælic, many TV channels in Irish etc.
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid and xenophobic to say or think the UK is one country and to deny the culture and ethnicity of those countries.
Mountain-Dealer8996 t1_iub69xy wrote
Averaging in a “perceptual” color space doesn’t really make sense because perceptual color is non-Riemannian (source)
flappyslam t1_iub6jkr wrote
So fucking true.
ImmoralityPet t1_iub98uf wrote
This is misleading. You need the median color.
CrimsonBrit t1_iub9vva wrote
Super unique. OP you should share this with /r/vexillology
R3lay0 t1_iuba93x wrote
>with most Scots speaking something called "Scots" which is a kind of hybrid.
Most people in Scottland have no skill in Scots, only a quarter can speak, write and read it.
>deny the culture and ethnicity of those countries.
I didn't deny anything. All I'm saying that on a list with France, Germany, the US, China, ... there is no place for Wales.
XkF21WNJ t1_iubagwi wrote
There's exactly one kind of colour space where blending colours makes any sense and it's the ones where colours are a simple linear transformation of the light spectrum. For humans you'll want to use either CIE XYZ or CIE RGB (the end result is equivalent). In these spaces blending colours has the same effect as blending light of the same colour, which is usually what you want.
If you use non-linear spaces you're not blending you're 'tweening' colours at best, doesn't matter if the space is perceptually uniform or not. This can be helpful for graphic design, but it's not physically meaningful and usually has some weird edge-cases.
Xeludon t1_iubhhsa wrote
Ofcourse there is, they're all legitimate countries, there's no place for the U.S. Ofcourse, but Wales is like any other country.
By your logic, most African countries aren't legitimate because they have more English speakers than speakers of the native languages.
Are aboriginal Australians not valid?
Scotland has a vast amount of culture, as does Wales, Northern Ireland and England, they're 4 separate countries with 4 separate flags, the Union flag 🇬🇧 is a flag that combines all 4 into one flag.
I can't find the Northern Ireland flag on here, but it's basically a red diagonal cross on a white background.
🏴🏴🏴
needyspace t1_iubkk25 wrote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
Read the first line
Mauribob79 t1_iubwf2u wrote
Looks like a cat farting while being sucked by a rhino
vundercal t1_iuc4qmc wrote
Sometimes it’s also pretty incorrect
PaperReadingGuy t1_iuc5omh wrote
How can it not make sense if I'm a human and it makes total sense to me?
If the Switzerland flag is only red and white with a bit more red than white then the average should be the equivalent of mixing those quantities of ink.
Haven't artists averaged colors since forever using palettes?
Have you ever said what you just said to an artist that paints using a brush on a canvas and what was their reaction?
PaperReadingGuy t1_iuc5w7h wrote
What are artists doing with their palettes when they mix colors if not averaging taking averages from them?
PaperReadingGuy t1_iuc5yos wrote
Really? Because artists using palettes have been averaging colors for centuries now, maybe millennia even. I don't think I believe you.
miasmatix93 t1_iuc8whu wrote
Poor Cyprus, forgotten again.
slothochdonut t1_iucbh5j wrote
I guess you can take the average of the RGB values respectively? To me the surprise is the color difference between Sweden and Ukraine after 'average'.
Xeludon t1_iucg1g9 wrote
KrokmaniakPL t1_iucjvku wrote
My best guess is program was designed for rectangular flags and with square it filled blanks on sides with black
Tmaster95 t1_iuck0xq wrote
I specified my statement in my second sentence.
Fushigibama t1_iuckkjj wrote
Wouldn’t median be better..
BictorianPizza t1_iuckyih wrote
How can Germany and Belgium have the same colour when they have different coloured flags?
NothingButBackflips t1_iucqdnn wrote
It baffles me how wrong this is
NothingButBackflips t1_iucqi0b wrote
Scotland, England, Wales & North Ireland are countries within Britain.
R3lay0 t1_iucr0l8 wrote
>there's no place for the U.S.
Why?
>but Wales is like any other country.
Except being independent ofc
>By your logic, most African countries aren't legitimate because they have more English speakers than speakers of the native languages.
I didn't say that. But legitimizing a country by its language if most people don't speak it is ridiculus. Countries in Africa aren't created by language border anyway. Is every tribe in Africa's tribal region a country?
>Are aboriginal Australians not valid?
The only thing not valid are your stupid strawmans.
>Scotland has a vast amount of culture, as does Wales, Northern Ireland and England, they're 4 separate countries with 4 separate flags, the Union flag is a flag that combines all 4 into one flag.
So do Swiss cantons, and yet they aren't countries.
Xeludon t1_iuctf1h wrote
That's not the same thing.
The UK is 4 separate countries, it's ruled similarly to the EU, with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland having their own governments and laws.
The U.S. is a cesspool of terrorists, racists and murderers, all heavily indoctrinated by propaganda and all exceptionally self-centred.
One of the only countries where free healthcare is seen as bad because "i'M nOt pAyInG fOr sOmEoNe eLsE!" Yet they don't see the hypocrisy in saying that and then using insurance.
Swiss cantons are Swiss
Just because you aren't intelligent enough to understand that the UK is 4 countries, doesn't mean they aren't.
You even ignored the link I sent, lol.
Scotland is actively trying to get out of the UK, as is Northern Ireland and Wales.
needyspace t1_iuctfob wrote
Ah, some blog. Good for you. I could have listed all major dictionaries also. But I imagine you've already seen them while looking for a link that supports your statement
Xeludon t1_iucu2uc wrote
You posted a Wikipedia link, a U.S. site, made by U.S. people who know nothing of the UK.
https://evanevanstours.com/travel-guide/london-guide/is-the-uk-a-country-the-union-explained/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-between-england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
Britain is the island which consists of England, Wales and Scotland.
The United Kingdom is a political union of all four countries within the British Isles.
Whit3Eagleee t1_iucw4l6 wrote
So Germany‘s brown after all. 😂🤪
R3lay0 t1_iucx3xs wrote
>with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland having their own governments and laws.
Like in every federal system.
>Swiss cantons are Swiss
Yes, but why aren't they 26 countries?
>You even ignored the link I sent, lol.
You didn't send a link.
>Scotland is actively trying to get out of the UK
And when it does it is a country. But until then it still needs permission from Westminster to even leave.
Bonus question: How many embassies do Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland have combined?
Apprehensive-Cow6194 t1_iucy28s wrote
They have their own flags sure
Xeludon t1_iuczcvz wrote
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-splurges-6m-per-24356885
https://gov.wales/welsh-government-international-office-remits-html
https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great-britain/
They all have multiple embassies in many different countries, Scotland has the most, the Republic of Ireland has a lot, with Northern Ireland not having as many but still having some.
Switzerland is one country, not multiple.
You're a fucking idiot.
This is like you saying "Europe is one country" or "Korea is one country".
R3lay0 t1_iud78n4 wrote
>https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-splurges-6m-per-24356885
Those aren't embassies, those are offices
>https://gov.wales/welsh-government-international-office-remits-html
Offices again.
>https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great-britain/
This is the embassy of the Republic of Ireland (a country) located in London.
>They all have multiple embassies in many different countries, Scotland has the most, the Republic of Ireland has a lot, with Northern Ireland not having as many but still having some.
Again, offices aren't embassies.
>the Republic of Ireland has a lot
Ofc it has a lot, it is a country after all.
>Switzerland is one country, not multiple.
Why? There are 26 cantons, all have their own legislature, laws and culture. Additionally there are four languages. So by your argument that's four countries at the very least.
>Europe is one country
It obviously isn't. The countries in Europe (France, Germany, the UK, ...) are independent.
Xeludon t1_iud96cr wrote
cantons are similar to U.S. states.
Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales are all legitimate countries.
Look up each one, what does it say?
"Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom"
You're a moron.
They literally do have embassies, what do you think international foreign affairs offices are?
Embassy - the official residence or O F F I C E S of an ambassador.
The ambassador of Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
However, because of the fact that the UK is a political alliance, most international affairs are dealt with as a whole instead of for each individual country.
You not understanding that says more about you being a fucking idiot.
R3lay0 t1_iudfher wrote
>cantons are similar to U.S. states.
Yes, and so are UK "countries". What difference is there between a UK "country" and a US state?
>Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales are all legitimate countries.
No, they're not independent.
>Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom"
I'm aware of the official claim that they are countries. However by any meaningful definition they are not.
>They literally do have embassies, what do you think international foreign affairs offices are?
Then why aren't they called embassies? It's because countries have embassies. What other countries do not have a single thing called embassy in any other country?
>Embassy - the official residence or O F F I C E S of an ambassador.
Yes, the office of an ambassador. Scottland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England do not have ambassadors.
>The ambassador of Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
No, she isn't. Scottland doesn't have ambassadors since 1707. Anyways, countries don't have one ambassador, they have ambassdors TO other countries (or organisations). To which country is Sturgeon ambassador?
needyspace t1_iudj696 wrote
Some nice blog posts there. Good for you. I know that you know what the dictionaries say.
You're criticism of Wikipedia is unique btw. Never heard that before.
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Xeludon t1_iudtfax wrote
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She is the current ambassador of Scotland.
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They all have ambassadors.
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They are called embassies.
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The Republic of Somaliland doesn't have an embassy, you think that's not a country? Bhutan doesn't have an embassy, is that not a country?
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They are legitimate countries, they have borders, they have languages, completely different cultures, completely different people, different landscapes, different climates.
The amount of hatred each four countries has for eachother as well is very high.
If you went to Scotland wearing someone else's family tartan (tartan is a family crest, each tartan is unique and means something specific, usually a family name) you'd get the shit kicked out of you. Each Scottish family has a unique tartan.
They're completely different countries with different cultural rules, different languages, it would be very confusing for an east Englander to try to aclimate to Scottish life, the same couldn't be said for a new yorker in Texas.
An Irish person in Wales would experience a vast amount of cultural differences, the same could not be said of a Floridian in California.
The differences between the four countries are more drastic than the differences between Mexico and the U.S.
Just because you don't get that, doesn't make it not true.
R3lay0 t1_iudz942 wrote
>She is the current ambassador of Scotland.
Source?
>They all have ambassadors.
Do you have a list?
>They are called embassies.
The links you posted doesn't call them that
>The Republic of Somaliland
Which isn't recognized by any UN member.
>Bhutan doesn't have an embassy, is that not a country
Bhutan has embassies. https://www.mfa.gov.bt/embassies-missions-and-consulates-abroad/ Notice how those places have "embassy" in their names.
>They are legitimate countries, they have borders, they have languages, completely different cultures, completely different people, different landscapes, different climates.
Which is the case for many federalistic subdivisions.
>If you went to Scotland wearing someone else's family tartan (tartan is a family crest, each tartan is unique and means something specific, usually a family name) you'd get the shit kicked out of you. Each Scottish family has a unique tartan.
I fail to see how this is relevant for this discussion.
>An Irish person in Wales would experience a vast amount of cultural differences, the same could not be said of a Floridian in California.
Cultural differences exist independently from countries.
Xeludon t1_iue54il wrote
Country - a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
Scotland - 790 Islands, and the mainland, nation of 5.46 million, £166 billion.
Northern Ireland - nation of 1.9 million, £49 billion
Wales - nation of 3.26 million, £98.3 billion.
England - nation of 56 million, £1.859 trillion.
They are different countries, moron.
You've provided 0 evidence supporting anything you're saying, I've provided multiple sources showing that they're countries.
Independence and embassies doesn't = a country.
Palestine isn't recognised by the U.N. but is obviously still a country.
Mountain-Dealer8996 t1_iue7ze8 wrote
No, it’s not the case that mixing equal portions of red pigment and white pigment gets you a color that is perceptually mid-way between the red and white. You might get something that looks “closer” to the red or looks closer to the white. I actually have talked about this with quite a few artists. Josef Albers (abstract expressionist painter) wrote a whole book on this topic, and other non-linearities in color perception. Personally, I did my PhD thesis on the neuroscience of color perception.
PaperReadingGuy t1_iuf70wl wrote
I'm sorry, you could be right, but walk me through here.
If I pay an artist with brush-canvas-and-palette to mix red and white such that he can arrive at a color that is the average of the quantities of red and white on the Switzerland flag, are you saying he couldn't do that by eyeballing it?
Or are you saying he couldn't do that mechanically automatically by just mixing the exact amounts of red and white on the Switzerland flag without eyeballing it?
If you're saying the latter, that it's not automatic and the proportions are not the same as on the original flag, I could believe you, but you haven't said anything that would cause me to believe that.
If you're saying the former, there's no way I can believe in that, because then every art book on colors would have to make a major pause in explaining colors to tell me what you're trying to tell me, and no art color book does that.
Therefore it seems to me that brush-canvas-and-palette artists can totally do what you are saying can't be done - otherwise how were all the paintings that the world has accumulated in museums painted?
exculcator t1_iugoiih wrote
Never heard of "the sick man of Europe", I take it?
exculcator t1_iugopzb wrote
Why does it have to say anything "important". The reddit is data is beautiful, not data is important! (Not that this particular example is beautiful, mind you).
exculcator t1_iugp3m7 wrote
Of course you can. If I have two wavelengths of say 456 nm and 612 nm I absolutely can say their average [sic: mean] wavelength is 534 nm.
What is interesting is that because of the way human perception works, a human will denfinitely NOT see a 534 nm wavelength emission as being the same as the combination of two half-intensity 456 nm and 612 nm beams, since most humans are trichromatic, and our receptors have different, and most importantly, non-linear, responses.
freydaum t1_iugq2rz wrote
What you mean here is averaging of the wavelengths of the light. What is done is probably is gray values of the RGB values or sth like that are averaged. Still it is not “averaging” of the color. You need to define some measurable. I can so-called average color by averaging the amount of dye for a oil on canvas version of the flags.
Aileric t1_iugqhdc wrote
Good thing they didn't try it with Nepal's flag then.
zetimenvec t1_iuix5ar wrote
I think they categorized the colors into "red" "blue" "green" etc, regardless of shade and then counted the colors that appear, and then took them all as appearing an uniform amount, and calculated the average that way. A very quick and napkin-mathy approach.
R3lay0 t1_iuje6t3 wrote
But the Switzerland, Denmark and Austria should have the same color
zetimenvec t1_iujf4gb wrote
Hm. You're right.I guess they do take surface area into consideration. I'm not sure then. I was mostly basing that theory on the UK/France comparison, because I'm pretty sure the UK has less blue in it than France's, but they're like identical colors on this average map.
kate1hepuppy OP t1_iu8thqf wrote
Source: Wikipedia - Flags of Europe
Tools: Get average colour of image