[OC] The average colour of each European country flag.Submitted by kate1hepuppy t3_ygjn50 in dataisbeautiful
Xeludon t1_iu9makm wrote
Reply to comment by R3lay0 in [OC] The average colour of each European country flag. by kate1hepuppy
It is 4 countries.
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are 4 separate countries.
R3lay0 t1_iuaeti0 wrote
There's no meaningful difference between UK "countries" and other federalistic subdivisions
Xeludon t1_iuaf0r0 wrote
There really is, completely different people, completely different cultures and completely different languages.
Here is "Hello, how are you today?" In Welsh, Scottish and Irish;
Welsh; "Helo, sut wyt ti heddiw?"
Scottish; "Halo, Ciamar a tha thu an-diugh?"
Irish; "Dia duit conas atá tú inniu?"
R3lay0 t1_iuaynnc wrote
And what percentage in those "countries" speaks those languages? Not that it really matters many actual countries have different languages and cultures within them.
Xeludon t1_iub392a wrote
It depends.
The English tried to commit genocide against the natives of all 3 countries, so the most spoken was English, however the countries are all gaining the language back and its been steadily growing.
The outer islands and lands of Scotland speak Gælic almost exclusively with most Scots speaking something called "Scots" which is a kind of hybrid.
They have tv channels exclusively in Scottish gælic.
Road signs are also in gælic.
In Wales, road signs are all in Welsh, with the number of people who speak Welsh as their first and only language growing heavily.
They have many TV channels which are exclusively in Welsh. 29% of the population of Wales speak Welsh, the number grows higher constantly.
In Ireland, all road signs are in Irish Gælic, many TV channels in Irish etc.
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid and xenophobic to say or think the UK is one country and to deny the culture and ethnicity of those countries.
R3lay0 t1_iuba93x wrote
>with most Scots speaking something called "Scots" which is a kind of hybrid.
Most people in Scottland have no skill in Scots, only a quarter can speak, write and read it.
>deny the culture and ethnicity of those countries.
I didn't deny anything. All I'm saying that on a list with France, Germany, the US, China, ... there is no place for Wales.
Xeludon t1_iubhhsa wrote
Ofcourse there is, they're all legitimate countries, there's no place for the U.S. Ofcourse, but Wales is like any other country.
By your logic, most African countries aren't legitimate because they have more English speakers than speakers of the native languages.
Are aboriginal Australians not valid?
Scotland has a vast amount of culture, as does Wales, Northern Ireland and England, they're 4 separate countries with 4 separate flags, the Union flag 🇬🇧 is a flag that combines all 4 into one flag.
I can't find the Northern Ireland flag on here, but it's basically a red diagonal cross on a white background.
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R3lay0 t1_iucr0l8 wrote
>there's no place for the U.S.
Why?
>but Wales is like any other country.
Except being independent ofc
>By your logic, most African countries aren't legitimate because they have more English speakers than speakers of the native languages.
I didn't say that. But legitimizing a country by its language if most people don't speak it is ridiculus. Countries in Africa aren't created by language border anyway. Is every tribe in Africa's tribal region a country?
>Are aboriginal Australians not valid?
The only thing not valid are your stupid strawmans.
>Scotland has a vast amount of culture, as does Wales, Northern Ireland and England, they're 4 separate countries with 4 separate flags, the Union flag is a flag that combines all 4 into one flag.
So do Swiss cantons, and yet they aren't countries.
Xeludon t1_iuctf1h wrote
That's not the same thing.
The UK is 4 separate countries, it's ruled similarly to the EU, with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland having their own governments and laws.
The U.S. is a cesspool of terrorists, racists and murderers, all heavily indoctrinated by propaganda and all exceptionally self-centred.
One of the only countries where free healthcare is seen as bad because "i'M nOt pAyInG fOr sOmEoNe eLsE!" Yet they don't see the hypocrisy in saying that and then using insurance.
Swiss cantons are Swiss
Just because you aren't intelligent enough to understand that the UK is 4 countries, doesn't mean they aren't.
You even ignored the link I sent, lol.
Scotland is actively trying to get out of the UK, as is Northern Ireland and Wales.
R3lay0 t1_iucx3xs wrote
>with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland having their own governments and laws.
Like in every federal system.
>Swiss cantons are Swiss
Yes, but why aren't they 26 countries?
>You even ignored the link I sent, lol.
You didn't send a link.
>Scotland is actively trying to get out of the UK
And when it does it is a country. But until then it still needs permission from Westminster to even leave.
Bonus question: How many embassies do Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland have combined?
Xeludon t1_iuczcvz wrote
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-splurges-6m-per-24356885
https://gov.wales/welsh-government-international-office-remits-html
https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great-britain/
They all have multiple embassies in many different countries, Scotland has the most, the Republic of Ireland has a lot, with Northern Ireland not having as many but still having some.
Switzerland is one country, not multiple.
You're a fucking idiot.
This is like you saying "Europe is one country" or "Korea is one country".
R3lay0 t1_iud78n4 wrote
>https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-splurges-6m-per-24356885
Those aren't embassies, those are offices
>https://gov.wales/welsh-government-international-office-remits-html
Offices again.
>https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great-britain/
This is the embassy of the Republic of Ireland (a country) located in London.
>They all have multiple embassies in many different countries, Scotland has the most, the Republic of Ireland has a lot, with Northern Ireland not having as many but still having some.
Again, offices aren't embassies.
>the Republic of Ireland has a lot
Ofc it has a lot, it is a country after all.
>Switzerland is one country, not multiple.
Why? There are 26 cantons, all have their own legislature, laws and culture. Additionally there are four languages. So by your argument that's four countries at the very least.
>Europe is one country
It obviously isn't. The countries in Europe (France, Germany, the UK, ...) are independent.
Xeludon t1_iud96cr wrote
cantons are similar to U.S. states.
Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales are all legitimate countries.
Look up each one, what does it say?
"Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom"
You're a moron.
They literally do have embassies, what do you think international foreign affairs offices are?
Embassy - the official residence or O F F I C E S of an ambassador.
The ambassador of Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
However, because of the fact that the UK is a political alliance, most international affairs are dealt with as a whole instead of for each individual country.
You not understanding that says more about you being a fucking idiot.
R3lay0 t1_iudfher wrote
>cantons are similar to U.S. states.
Yes, and so are UK "countries". What difference is there between a UK "country" and a US state?
>Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales are all legitimate countries.
No, they're not independent.
>Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales/England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom"
I'm aware of the official claim that they are countries. However by any meaningful definition they are not.
>They literally do have embassies, what do you think international foreign affairs offices are?
Then why aren't they called embassies? It's because countries have embassies. What other countries do not have a single thing called embassy in any other country?
>Embassy - the official residence or O F F I C E S of an ambassador.
Yes, the office of an ambassador. Scottland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England do not have ambassadors.
>The ambassador of Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
No, she isn't. Scottland doesn't have ambassadors since 1707. Anyways, countries don't have one ambassador, they have ambassdors TO other countries (or organisations). To which country is Sturgeon ambassador?
Xeludon t1_iudtfax wrote
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She is the current ambassador of Scotland.
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They all have ambassadors.
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They are called embassies.
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The Republic of Somaliland doesn't have an embassy, you think that's not a country? Bhutan doesn't have an embassy, is that not a country?
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They are legitimate countries, they have borders, they have languages, completely different cultures, completely different people, different landscapes, different climates.
The amount of hatred each four countries has for eachother as well is very high.
If you went to Scotland wearing someone else's family tartan (tartan is a family crest, each tartan is unique and means something specific, usually a family name) you'd get the shit kicked out of you. Each Scottish family has a unique tartan.
They're completely different countries with different cultural rules, different languages, it would be very confusing for an east Englander to try to aclimate to Scottish life, the same couldn't be said for a new yorker in Texas.
An Irish person in Wales would experience a vast amount of cultural differences, the same could not be said of a Floridian in California.
The differences between the four countries are more drastic than the differences between Mexico and the U.S.
Just because you don't get that, doesn't make it not true.
R3lay0 t1_iudz942 wrote
>She is the current ambassador of Scotland.
Source?
>They all have ambassadors.
Do you have a list?
>They are called embassies.
The links you posted doesn't call them that
>The Republic of Somaliland
Which isn't recognized by any UN member.
>Bhutan doesn't have an embassy, is that not a country
Bhutan has embassies. https://www.mfa.gov.bt/embassies-missions-and-consulates-abroad/ Notice how those places have "embassy" in their names.
>They are legitimate countries, they have borders, they have languages, completely different cultures, completely different people, different landscapes, different climates.
Which is the case for many federalistic subdivisions.
>If you went to Scotland wearing someone else's family tartan (tartan is a family crest, each tartan is unique and means something specific, usually a family name) you'd get the shit kicked out of you. Each Scottish family has a unique tartan.
I fail to see how this is relevant for this discussion.
>An Irish person in Wales would experience a vast amount of cultural differences, the same could not be said of a Floridian in California.
Cultural differences exist independently from countries.
Xeludon t1_iue54il wrote
Country - a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
Scotland - 790 Islands, and the mainland, nation of 5.46 million, £166 billion.
Northern Ireland - nation of 1.9 million, £49 billion
Wales - nation of 3.26 million, £98.3 billion.
England - nation of 56 million, £1.859 trillion.
They are different countries, moron.
You've provided 0 evidence supporting anything you're saying, I've provided multiple sources showing that they're countries.
Independence and embassies doesn't = a country.
Palestine isn't recognised by the U.N. but is obviously still a country.
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