Submitted by uhhiforget t3_xznhkm in dataisbeautiful
JustaOrdinaryDemiGod t1_irnhkev wrote
Reply to comment by redeggplant01 in Gun violence in Philadeplphia. Not beautiful, but... by uhhiforget
If you go out into rural areas, the amount of gun ownership is alot higher and has no where near the amount of gun violence. So there is something else at play vs just the gun laws.
SeanyBravo t1_irnnm70 wrote
Suicides are conflated with gun violence to make is seem like gun violence is uniform with ownership.
Expandexplorelive t1_irp8ait wrote
Suicides are violence.
SeanyBravo t1_irp99j8 wrote
You don’t solve suicides with the same style of programs or legislation that you solve homicides and assaults with. One is an issue of mental health well the other is an issue of many confounding factors such as poverty, gangs, and educations. If you honestly want solutions to either of these problems we have to treat them as different types of violence. Treating them as the same only is used as a way to manipulate data to make problems appear to have different roots then they really do.
Expandexplorelive t1_irpa5n7 wrote
>You don’t solve suicides with the same style of programs or legislation that you solve homicides and assaults with.
I mostly agree.
>Treating them as the same only is used as a way to manipulate data to make problems appear to have different roots then they really do.
To what end?
SeanyBravo t1_irpc8vt wrote
its an effort to make it appear that higher legal gun ownership rates = higher gun homicide and shooting rates as that’s what people typically associate with the term gun violence. If we consider suicides and criminal shootings the same we get the leaders in gun “violence” per capita being the likes of AK, MT, and other rural state with high amounts of gun suicides to total population. If we don’t include suicides in gun violence we end up getting leading state like IL, DC, Missouri, and some of the poorer southern states. Some of these places still have high gun ownership rates well others have Low ownership rates. The reality is that poverty and lower education do a lot better job of predicting gun violence then legal ownership rates.
This site has a map that helps visualize the differences when we consider suicides versus when we don’t.
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