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bapo225 t1_ir61qgg wrote

How come Black people are overrepresented in Master's while being underrepresented in Bachelor's?

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Bewaretheicespiders t1_ir6h5bz wrote

It suggest that compared to whites more black decide to continue to a master while more white are happy to stop at "just" a bachelor degree.

Sadly for a lot of people, college is not an education but a few years of resort living. A master actually requires you to learn the state of the art in a particular field, which is a big fat time sink.

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[deleted] t1_ir6tmiz wrote

This doesn't answer his question. There should be no difference between the two if every external factors were similar.

Why are they not making the same choices once they make it to college?

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GottaVentAlt t1_ir775co wrote

Could be a lot of things happening. It could be something like, fewer Black people are accepted to university in the first place, which means that the work ethic and skill level or aspirations of many of those few who are accepted are equivalent to the top 25% (arbitrary number) of white candidates, for whom college is a given, so they are more likely to continue as a group.

It could be cultural. Both the feeling that you have to be a "good" representative of your race, and the fact that most of your peers of the same race feel the same way will push you to achieve more/avoid "failure". It could also be the reasons that they are choosing university in the first place. Social work, Healthcare, education, and so on are fields where getting a masters is often necessary. I don't know if there is specific pressure from parents of high performing Black students to go towards specific fields or not the way there is for Asian students to go into engineering or medicine.

It could also be that recently graduated Black students find themselves unable to find the same caliber of job opportunities as their white peers so have to continue education to find good jobs in their field.

Just spitballing.

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vtTownie t1_ir9pvni wrote

Generally not those accepted, but those applying to begin with.

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[deleted] t1_ira2zjc wrote

>Could be a lot of things happening. It could be something like, fewer Black people are accepted to university in the first place, which means that the work ethic and skill level or aspirations of many of those few who are accepted are equivalent to the top 25% (arbitrary number) of white candidates, for whom college is a given, so they are more likely to continue as a group.

If that was a leading factor, we would see a similar trend for hispanics, but we observe the opposite.

>It could be cultural. Both the feeling that you have to be a "good" representative of your race, and the fact that most of your peers of the same race feel the same way will push you to achieve more/avoid "failure". It could also be the reasons that they are choosing university in the first place. Social work, Healthcare, education, and so on are fields where getting a masters is often necessary. I don't know if there is specific pressure from parents of high performing Black students to go towards specific fields or not the way there is for Asian students to go into engineering or medicine.

That's an interesting hypothesis. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the fields of study for different racial ethnicity to verify this hypothesis. If blacks do indeed disproportionately choose fields of study that require a master's degree it could support your hypothesis.

>It could also be that recently graduated Black students find themselves unable to find the same caliber of job opportunities as their white peers so have to continue education to find good jobs in their field.

Unlikely considering the data for other ethnicities and for African born black immigrants.

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Bewaretheicespiders t1_ir6uljf wrote

There is no reason to expect any two non-uniform-random sampling of such a distribution to have the same characteristics.

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CustomerSuspicious25 t1_ir9lzr0 wrote

Maybe more Black people need or feel like they need that additional education and that piece of paper to advance their career while less White people do?

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[deleted] t1_ira1t95 wrote

While this is only speculation, why would that be? For other minorities we observe the opposite trend.

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857477458 t1_ir7t0da wrote

You argument sounds contradictory. If college is a resort then shouldn't everyone want to get a Masters? At any rate I only got a bachelors because when I graduated no jobs were asking for a Masters so it made no point to pursue one.

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Bewaretheicespiders t1_ir839ap wrote

Nah like I wrote anyone can get a bachelor in some easy fields by picking easy classes, but master is something else, you usually have to write a master thesis and pass in front of a comittee.

I got my master because I graduated right after the .com crash and there was no work for a while.

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DavidSilva21 t1_ir7f17s wrote

I like the description "resort living". It really was exactly that for me, minus the sex believe it or not. I thought I was doing good studying half arse and doing relatively well in classes and such. I thought that was the life. I ended up getting a masters after all, but certainly not because I really loved the subject.

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Bewaretheicespiders t1_ir7gtwv wrote

When I saw a top 10 of the best US universities waterparks, I thought all pretense was lost.

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DavidWaldron t1_ir9kvbx wrote

I don’t know where OP has gone wrong, but it’s just false that black people are over-represented among MA-holders. 8% of black non-Hispanic people age 25-44 have an MA or more, compared to 12.5% of all races/ethnicities (not visible on that table because I filtered to non-Hispanics).

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[deleted] t1_ir76dus wrote

The answer is we don’t know.

BUT my guess is that it’s the good work of programs that connect underrepresented undergrads to grad opportunities, contrast against the rapid growth of the Hispanic population vs rest-of-America including Black Americans. Graduate funnel programs that have existed for decades will show a lagging correlation to undergrad affirmative action and Black outreach. Undergrads and then grads need to adjust to the Hispanic population growth to fix the numerator https://costar.brightspotcdn.com/c1/86/16e793de4cdcaa84724a5f7990d9/slide277.jpeg

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