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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd55c16 wrote

Reply to comment by godkiller in [OC] Trade between China and Russia hit a record 190B in 2022, up 30% from 2021. Cargo containers are essential for international trade & the transportation of products. by RobinWheeliams

You mean like all NATO countries orbit around USA? Can't fart without daddy Biden permission

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AviMkv t1_jd8bvuv wrote

Even if it was the case (which it isn't), Biden isn't reigning the USA for life.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd8p7l6 wrote

Doesn't matter. It was the same with all previous presidents.

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AviMkv t1_jd90lsb wrote

Verifiably false.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd939qz wrote

Go on, prove it

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AviMkv t1_jd98q8v wrote

Ok: Trump.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd9fpwc wrote

Ok: What NATO country alligned with Russia and China during his term?

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AviMkv t1_jd9kfjq wrote

Completely off topic 😂 oh man you're really grasping at straws. Go touch some grass :)

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godkiller t1_jd5f9bb wrote

Countries join NATO to reduce their chances of being invaded by another country and are free to leave NATO any time they choose.

Putin (and I should specify that I believe its mostly Putin and his idolators, not most of the Russia people) just wants to rebuild an Russia empire so he can be a big boy imperialist like the dictators and tsars that preceded him. He's just a power hungry ego driven man-boy.

If you think about it, the west and Russia really should be allies. They have tons of shared history, similar ethnic and religious diversity. Aside from Russia's history of autocratic and dictatorial governments, the west has more in common with Russia and vice versa than each does with most of the rest of the world.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd5h838 wrote

NATO gives no guarantees to non-members regarding attacks. NATO bombed many countries illegally.

Countries join NATO so they don't get attacked by NATO or to protect their sovereignty (North Macedonia for instance, is now safe from Albanian Extremists/Nationalists who committed terrorist attacks on FYROM soil in hopes of annexing territory.)

The west doesn't want Russia as an ally. They want Russia's resources.

You say Russia has imperialist ambitions. How is USA any better? The only difference is in territorial claims. USA colonizes countries through regime changes. Is China imperialistic too? Why is USA breathing down China's neck?

There are too many fallacies in NATO supporter beliefs.

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godkiller t1_jd5jacr wrote

>The only difference is territorial clams.

A rather significant difference.

The USA regards Russia and China as threats to the freedoms and liberties of a free society. Neither country has any legitimate free press, protections of individual rights, or a system of government that affords its citizens a say in the actions of their governments. That is why Russia and China are dangerous - they are dangerous to the average persons rights and freedoms.

If Russia and China country a free and open society with protections of individual freedoms and representative governments, we would not be having this conversation.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd6wgdo wrote

Poor excuses. None of this should be your concern, USA doesn't care about it's own people let alone 1.3 billion Chinese and 140 million Russians.

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godkiller t1_jd7wdhw wrote

Sorry, you lost this argument and can't waive away the truth by calling them "poor excuses".

The USA and the west haven't always lived up to their own ideals, without a doubt. But we are pretty darn open about our mistakes and bad choices and, ultimately, our ideals are the right ones. Your wrong about what we care about - we definitely care about the freedoms of others because you must fight for freedom for all or you will eventually lose your own freedoms. And of course, without freedom you are someone else's slave at some level.

Maybe start questioning the state propaganda that your clearly been taking to heart. You're on reddit so you must have some access to the wider internet.

...or maybe you are a state sponsored troll yourself. Who knows.

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