source: Destatis Regionaldatenbank

tool: app.23degrees.io

for a more detailed look check out the interactive visualisation

Is that a lot? I live in Hong Kong.

Me too - 400-500 sqr feet is the norm.

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So south and west live in bigger space. Surprised to see Munich having larger average living space given how expensive the living space is there.

EDIT: Munich city itself is only 71 sq.m. vs region which is 96 sq.m.

By appartement or by person?

It just averages over all living space in that region. So apartment and houses, not people. The data source says so. It's in German.

Where do you see that? Munich is in the lowest category or at least in one of the lowest (hard to see with the colour shades) just as almost any other big city.

It's 96 sq.m. Yeah not the highest but in comparison to Berlin with 70 sq.m., it's still high. Berlin is supposed to have slightly cheaper per sq.m. price.

You can go to the attached link in OP's source and see different cities. I would have highlighted the state capitals though in the plot.

Without knowing how many people share it, it’s just a number with some meaning but not enough to really understand what’s happening…

Ok, I was talking about the actual city which (if I am not totally wrong) at least on the map has the same or similar shade as Berlin, Hamburg etc

Edit: yea the visualisation tool gives me 71m2 for the city of Munich

I am talking about actual city also. Berlin and Hamburg are in a different color shade (70-80) from Munich (90-100). The color gradient isn't great though.

EDIT: you're right about Munich city (71 sq.m.) vs Munich region (96 sq.m.)

It's definitely appartement.

>Die durchschnittliche Wohnungsgröße Deutschlands betrug rund 92 Quadratmeter, aufgeteilt auf 4,4 Wohnräume.

This gives a whole new meaning to lebensraum 😂

I'd prefer the color scheme reversed. Dark= dense

That’s gotta be per person. Now way that’s enough for a family.

It most defenitly is. I'm a neighbour of the Germans,Dutch. Our houses here are similar.

How much space does one need?

About 700 sq ft per person would be like a minimum. 1000 sq ft would be ideal. That’s what I have but I’m including the attached garage as part of my shared personal space. Kids also play hockey in there and have a indoor basketball space when needed.

Being Bavarian, I do have a passing knowledge of German. Still I think this is an essential information that should have been provided with the map itself.

Apparently, it's per appartement.

1000sq ft per person,? holy sh* Why so much? How much stuff does a human need?

Our current house is 103m2-1108sq ft and with the 2 of us its already pretty spacious. 3bedrooms, a loft, 1,5 bathroom. A decent size garden and a double garage. Other houses in the street have 2adults and 2 or even 3 kids.

I would have no idea what to do with a house dubble as big our current one. The cleaning, the heating bill,the maintenance etc.

Lol, I live in America. Seems small. I would guess it's about 50% more in America.

It's definitely not per person. Even in the US it's probably not a thousand square foot per person. I think it's about 50 to 75% bigger in the US (Google) but would still probably comment at about 500 to 700 ft² per person if I had to guess. The average single-family home in the US is about 2,200 ft². The average apartment size is about 900 ft². The average household size is 2.6.

Looks like they might need a little more living space.

Welcome to Europe! It's not NA. These would cost you at least 500K Euros in any big German city.

That’s crazy expensive. I picked up a 2500 sq ft house with a double attached garage for 425k Canadian. It’s in a small city of 300k so not as many amenities as Berlin granted.

Yep and salaries aren't even high though to justify that. Even high skilled workers in IT etc can't afford these places!

It's also the byproduct of countries being much smaller. So lands are expensive in general especially in central/western European countries.

Buying a house like that you mentioned even outside of major German cities won't be much cheaper.

I'm living in like, not even a full 400 sq ft. Sure, some more space would be nice, but all in all its pretty manageable. But I also have all of that space for me, since I'm living alone.

Would love to see a global comparison of this stat.. got a feeling the US double most other developed country and triple that of developing countries

It was enough space for my family in Texas.

In the US everything is huge, I live in Canada and while here everything is huge too, it doesn’t come close to the size of US properties

As if bavarians are part of germany... puh

I guess they did expand the living room

Plenty of lebensraum 😬 can't understand why they think they deserved to expand into other sovereign territories.

For Yahweh’s sake, don’t give them ideas about needing more lebensraum.

The average size of a single family house in the US is about 2300 sq ft. About 70% of people in the US live in single family homes. I don’t know the stats on apartment units, but my guess is the average apartment is about 900-1000 sqft. That would make the grand average for all types of homes about 1800 sq ft.

We're obsessed with giant spaces in our houses. Another symptom of modern social neurological psychopathy. Our housing/R.E.industry literally thrives on claustrophobia.

I noticed it with cars too, I once went to Florida in my car (Elantra) and a lot of people asked me why I had such an small car lol

I have a truck myself. But I have two kids and I my hobby lifestyle requires large cargo storage and hauling capacity with 4x4.

I moved a lot I’d say growing up to when I was about 21, from a trailer park to apartments and homes, total 6 times. Apartments were generally 900-1100 sqft, trailer if I had to guess was 750 sqft, first house 1400 sqft and my current single family home is 1650.

Really? A Hyundai? Figured they were more common. But Florida's got that big vehicles craze.

Sadly this misses many details, Eastern Europe has many socialist workers buildings, with many apartments in one building.

In other regions are more villas because the wealth shifted immensely to the west during the reunion progress.

Many flats are in city districts became speculative assets for the rich. It’s more valuable to create one big Appartement out of two smaller ones.

In general Germany is densely urbanised leaving less room to build new houses with more space and forces companies to build more compact apartments.

It would be great to add the rough estimate of rent per square meter, to get a better view on regional popularity.

I don't understand the appeal of having so much indoor space. It's just extra cost to build, extra cost to run (heating & cooling), more space to clean and it cuts down your outside space, especially if you're in a city.

My current place is 93m2 and that's plenty for the two of us. Honestly I don't understand why anyone would need anymore than 50m2 per person.

Your lifestyle is different because your situation is different. I’ve been basically indoors since November. Tomorrow it’s getting down to -27 and -36 with the windchill. What’s the point of outdoor space if it is unusable because it’s -50 with the wind and there is 6ft snow drifts everywhere?

Don’t forget that the measurement of the size of houses and apartments in Germany is standardized and measures the actual space that is available while in the USA, they apparently just measure the circumference of the dwelling and are done with it.

You would need to figure out how USAen measurements of apartments and houses map to the ones in other places, i.e., Germany. The rules in the USA are pretty lax while there are quite strict in Germany.

How do you measure the space in the house? In Germany the rules are very specific in how measure, in the USA it seems to be mostly the outer side of the dwelling and assume that everything inside is available space. It would be interesting how you do it in Canada?

Uhh, you know you literally started this comment thread by saying the living area wasn't enough, and then justifying it by comparing your own situation right? And my (and others) responses were just pointing out that your situation wasn't normal, yeah?

So how about next time you apply a little of your own logic to yourself before posting, and maybe reconsider whether your contribution will add anything worthwhile to the conversation?

Is that mean oder median? I guess it's probe to outliers.

East and West German borders are pretty visible

Divide sqft by 10 to get a rough estimate of sqm, so you have 40-50m2, Germany has 92....probably not surprising Hong Kong has smaller spaces on average?