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Curious_Jellyfish_37 t1_jat58i5 wrote

I mean, Swiss population is 8.7 million; Venezuela is 28.2 million; Argentina is 45.8 million, and Mexico is 126.7 million... So the tonnes per person in Switzerland is (very roughly guessed from looking at the post) more than twice that of Argentina and Venezuela, and something like 20x that of Mexico

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Nnelg1990 t1_jatdok9 wrote

Also, this graph makes it look like Argentina is the biggest cheese producer, but they're behind small countries like the Netherlands and Denmark. (the higher producing countries are mentioned by an arrow in the graph).

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ShillingAndFarding t1_jatgwl7 wrote

Argentina actually produces more than Denmark and the UK. For some reason Czechia’s also left off.

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ShadowDV t1_jatkdpo wrote

And Wisconsin more than doubles Argentina.

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ShillingAndFarding t1_jatkpuk wrote

I don’t know about the quality of Argentinian cheese but I really don’t think Wisconsin should count.

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ShadowDV t1_jatl2m9 wrote

Why? Wisconsin cheese is awesome.

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Aristocrafied t1_jave5c4 wrote

As a Dutchman I would like to taste some Wisconsin cheese to test that hypothesis

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andyrocks t1_javg76m wrote

Because it's just a state and everything else is a country.

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EavingO t1_jaw28jp wrote

Yes but as 'just a state' it produces somewhere on the order of 5 to 6 times as much as Argentina per year on less than 1/7th the population.

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ca_kingmaker t1_jaw7qg5 wrote

It’s really amazing what massive government subsidies on milk can do!

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EavingO t1_jawlokl wrote

Hey, I never said it was a good thing that they produced enough cheese to give god an obesity problem, just that they produce an insane amount of cheese. Frankly I think quality wise the West coast beats them hands down.

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andyrocks t1_jaw33rr wrote

Yes but it's just a region of a country, everything else is a country. Just list the USA, nobody outside the US cares which region it cones from.

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Isaktjones t1_jawgohl wrote

Then let's just list the EU... each state is a different country. The laws, food, culture, architecture even holidays change from state to state.

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andyrocks t1_jawhn17 wrote

States aren't countries, my dude.

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Isaktjones t1_jawj3lo wrote

State

a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.

"Germany, Italy, and other European states"

State was more commonly used in place of country in the past hence the reason it was used with the formation of the USA. Many countries in the North American continent teamed up and formed a union to protect against Europeans, now this union had grown and a lot of the uniqueness has left but each state is still it's own and has it's own constitution that governs it. The current EU is similar to the early USA and over time will likely become more homogenous.

Edit: The USA still currently uses the word state in place of country in lots of its news broadcasts.

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andyrocks t1_jawybs3 wrote

Not sovereign, not recognised as being countries by any other country. It's just a state bro.

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TimePressure t1_jawsw5o wrote

"just a state" with 4 times the area of Switzerland, Denmark, and the Netherlands.

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andyrocks t1_jawy635 wrote

Notably small countries. It is just a state.

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Shopped_For_Pleasure t1_jax0j4n wrote

Do you know what “state” means?

Do you know why we call them “United States” and not just “united provinces” or “united prefectures”?

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andyrocks t1_jax0yzg wrote

You know what we don't call them? Countries. Nobody calls them that. Do you know why? It's because they're fucking states, not countries.

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TimePressure t1_jax49sa wrote

Notably countries that are mentioned in this graph. Comparing Wisconsin to these does make much more sense than comparing the entire US.
Firstly, like in the named three countries, milk and cheese production has tradition and still is among the main agricultural product, which can't be said of the entire US.

Secondly, administrative levels are just that- somewhat arbitrary administrative levels. Someone else might be annoyed that you're not comparing the entire EU, or the Swiss canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden, which is famous for its cheese but has <17k inhabitants, or some obscure county of Wisconsin.

Political science notes that the words we use for administrative levels do not have strict definitions. "The State of Israel" is a sovereign nation-state, and nobody will bat an eye at calling Israel a country.
States do have governments with some sovereignity, but what is a state in one nation might be equivalent to an entire nation somewhere else, and equivalent to a county in the third.

In short: It does make sense to compare units with similar aspects. Be it an economic orientation, size, population, economic power, etc.
Administrative levels do not always mean the same thing or are beneficial to compare.

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Hedonistic_pleasure2 t1_jau2lry wrote

Argentinian cheese might not be the best, but it’s really good. And I say this as a Brazillian, which might tell you something…

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Heightren t1_jauhfq9 wrote

Idk, it just tells me you're Brazilian

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Hedonistic_pleasure2 t1_jauj3ka wrote

Supposedly we have a rivalry and are not to admit that they might be better than us at something.

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[deleted] t1_jaulifm wrote

Argentinian cheese Is delicious. Good raw materials, lots of biomes & climates and a mix of múltiple different ethnicities with different approaches and traditions

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IDK3177 t1_jax9i81 wrote

I'm from Argentina and I partially agree. We could improve our cheese game a lot but for harder cheesses we need to extend the maduration time. Probably due to the financial inestability, noone keeps a cheese to mature it 12 or 24 months, or at least none of the important players. Soft cheeses are great!

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shelf_caribou t1_javrehp wrote

To be fair, there's some decent cheese coming out of Wisconsin. Sure, not all of it ...

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pokey68 t1_jatnjwc wrote

Just double checked. I remember reading it was 3 BILLION pounds, so I checked and just read a Wikipedia post saying it was 2.6 billion in 2006. So either way, Wisconsin kicks their ass. I’m in Wisconsin. I’ll walk down the road and give those girls a pep talk. Money won’t buy you happiness, but it will buy you more cows, which is kinda the same thing.

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ShadowDV t1_jaux5lv wrote

“Money won’t buy you happiness, but it will buy you more cows”

I found Tinder’s add campaign for Wisconsin.

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Curious_Jellyfish_37 t1_jatk8tw wrote

Argentina produced 437,000 tonnes in 2021; the UK produced 504,000 tonnes (so per person Argentina is higher).

Edit: Denmark produced more than Argentina at 454,000 tonnes, but with a population of just 5.9million (less than 1/7 Argentina's population)

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dirtycimments t1_jawseei wrote

According to the graph, UK and Denmark both produce more than Argentina.

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