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Ill_Ant_5155 t1_jagndmm wrote

Hi, nice work,

if I understood the timeline right, I want to make the following 3 remarks.

I think andor and rogue on should come after each other since Andor tells one of the characters origin and rogue one is pretty close to episode 4 since the got the Intel of the death star that is important in EP 4

and Obi Wan should end before Episode 4 since his story continues at that point .

That is all that came to my mind. But I didn't watch the animation.

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagpk1m wrote

Awesome! noted and love to adjust, just to mention maybe help each other figure it out and confirm.

I have it like that side by side and ending together in the spread because in rogue one Andor & Jyn die on the beach, no?

And yes agree, it was hard to find the exact starting times, and also with the spreadsheets I couldn’t figure out how to break the cells I would’ve had to create more rows and columns.

The timeline was the hardest part to figure out lolol. I had to use Yoda technically being 1000 years old; everyone’s deaths and births or appearances to figure out the 75-100 year timeline.

Appreciate thoughts/suggestions, much love!

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Monsignor1979 t1_jah04h9 wrote

I noticed this one immediately, as well. Andor precedes Roque one. But, I can't imagine it's easy to put this together and keep it in a clean rectangle without gaps. It's actually really well done, considering.

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jahue6c wrote

Totally agree! it was a lot difficult to figure out how to create just a simple reference guide for someone; someone as in anyone saying hey let me sit down and understand Star Wars and what’s going on.

Also, had to considering the fact that someone could watch Star Wars in so many different.. but the questions is how do they keep everything in one understanding or timeline.

But yeah it’s not 100% it’s more like a rough idea or guide to the timeline of the force lol… figured I give it a shot haha

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oldmansalvatore t1_jagpqdv wrote

Ok, appreciate the attempt but this has a ton of visual/ data representation mistakes.

The Empire starts right at the end of Ep.3. Order 66 happens at the end of Ep.3.

Bad Batch starts right after Ep.3. (you could say there's some minimal overlap, but that's about it).

Andor is also Empire era.

Obi Wan Kenobi is completely Empire era.

Solo also starts with Han fighting/ conning Imperials.

Rogue One literally starts after Andor and kills off the titular character.

These were some of the most glaring inconsistencies.

Again, it's cool that you made this attempt, but you might want to refer wookiepedia more closely, or collaborate/ consult with an older star wars nerd to fix up the mistakes.

Edit: holy shit - solo stops before Ep.4. If you're making a graph at least check the movie's storyline on wiki/wookie if you haven't actually seen the movie.

Visions is literally non-canon alternate universe stuff.

I might be slightly off on some of the above, but this graph seems more arbitrary and inconsistent with lore than the sequels (Sorry!).

Sorry, I'm going to stop looking at this now, to prevent myself from wasting both your time and mine, on an arbitrary rant...

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagqedh wrote

I thought Skywalker saga was after the fall of the Jedi? and then rolled into the Mando, grogu, Boba, and Rey the new republic and into the resistance? Then into whatever the future holds if they keep making stats wars

Also, doesn’t Andor die in rogue one? And Jyn kill Krennic because they killed her pops?

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Cnoized t1_jagw6bo wrote

Does Anikin not count as a Skywalker?

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cellidore t1_jagqp9z wrote

This looks all kinds of wrong. It’s also weird mixing canon with not, past with some (but not all) future, and visual media with some (but not all) print media. It’s also not particularly beautiful.

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StuckinReverse89 t1_jagsdbb wrote

Yes until episode 3. Episode 3 is a pretty big milestone where things occur before or after it and not really concurrent.

Obi wan is distinctly after episode 3, as is Rogue one and solo (actually Rogue One should be after Obi Wan imo since the death star plans is probably a bit after Obi Wans adventure and Rogue one ends directly where episode 4 begins).

Solo also definitely ends before episode 4 begins (honestly maybe even before Rogue one) since the movie ends with young Solo. It was also supposed to be the lead up to the rugged Solo we meet before episode 4 begins.

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagt5nd wrote

Yeah, I agree with you on all that Solo really is like throwing a wrench in the whole thing. I have it stretched out that long because he reappears with Rey and Kylo

I was really trying to find out where to put Obi Wan for a starting point. The issue with him in the movies and shows is that they shown him at 20-30 years old let's say and then 60-70 years old.. there’s no youth story to obi.

We all know Yoda is like 1000 years old lol and other characters youth, but we don’t really know Obi-Wans starting point or youth

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StuckinReverse89 t1_jagtspp wrote

Are you talking about Solo the character or Solo the movie because those are two different things.

Solo the character spans from mid episode 3 to basically episode 7 (and 9 if you count ghosts I guess) but the movie is a small segment after 3 and before 4.

Obi Wan storywise takes place only post episode 3 pre episode 4 although there are flashbacks to moments between episode 2 and 3 (the training scene).

There is no Obi Wan youth movie but there are youth books covering his time period from trainee just becoming Qui Gon’s apprentice to episode 1 although this might be considered legends now. Also, going into that territory is another can of worms since there are alot of Star Wars books (there is also one covering Anakin’s early years between episode 1 and 2 for example).

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jahtpgt wrote

Solo as character his influence/appearance is in the films/shows. Not just the movie.

In this chart, it’s how the character appears in the film/shows and 9 times out of 10, more than likely alive for the most part, there’s like 5-10 minutes of them or longer in the film/show.

Also with Star Wars there’s no information even in movies on the characters. The character was born on this day and died on this day lived this long. There’s no timestamps, which is cool but also confusing as to organizing the content

I built this in a situation, where as if someone is sitting down l, they bought all the Star Wars films/tv shows. They wanted to watch the galaxy in order or where to put the characters, make the most sense of everything… how does the one person need to watch it or connect everything together roughly where they watched it one way or the other.

Had the thought with me that, one could watch Star Wars depending on how they’re feeling/interested in probably 100 different ways.

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darthvirgin t1_jahz2nt wrote

You seem confused about whether you’re graphing specific films/shows etc or specific characters. Why would “Solo” represent Han Solo’s lifespan in this chart when essentially every other entry is a specific movie/show/book? The logic of your chart is not internally consistent.

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jai1zpk wrote

In the chart there’s no books/games, it’s just film/shows. Its built out for just a person sitting down and saying show me the force, I’ll spend 100 or 200 hours watching the Star Wars and roughly trying understand/uncover the force, characters in time frames and understanding whatever George Lucas is trying to show everyone/viewers respectively.

Figured out 4/5ths of way through it’s actually difficult to have replications of born January 1st lived 100hrs es died January 1st. Or how a company lasted 50 years or been around for 200 years established this day and still producing. I was born on this month day and time, my social security is this and that.

I totally understand/get what everyone’s saying. If I had the time to sit down with George Lucas and get a confirmation on everything it would be detailed as such haha.

Also would like to read all the books and play the games but we only know so much. With all that said 80% way through, finished post published. Didn’t get paid for it, someone can perhaps take it from here and perfect it.

But agree with what everyone’s saying.. one can easily get confused with few things or there’s gaps between periods in content and people crossing paths in the films, hard to master/know everything haha.

That’s why I posted hopefully someone get inspired and makes a way better versions that’s 100% pinpointed and spot on accurate.

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StuckinReverse89 t1_jaj75qm wrote

Then the graph is confusing because the labelled arnt the same with no markers to distinguish differences.

You put in movies which makes the graph appear to be a chronology based on movies and tv shows. You then randomly add in Han Solo only, also using just Solo which there is a movie which gives the reader the assumption that you are tracking where the movie falls in the chronology rather than the character. Its not internally consistent.

Better to keep them separate graphs or at least have distinct markings to differentiate between characters and movies/shows and also include other characters. We know Luke and Leia were born at the end of episode 3 and both live to the end of episode 8 for example. Vader and Obi Wan are born some time before episode 1 and Obi Wan lives until one third of episode 4 and Vader until end of episode 6. Palps is pre-episode 1 to episode 6 with his clone then born and then dies at the end of episode 9.

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littlebabybuddy24 t1_jahpi65 wrote

Age is not a good indicator of how much time has passed in the Star Wars universe because different species age differently, and also at different rates. You can’t compare Yoda’s species for a human’s.

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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_jaglujh wrote

If I'm reading this correctly you've included most of Han's life as the events in Solo. Also the events in "obi wan kenobi"

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagm3fe wrote

See, I was confused with that one because he appears after death with Kylo. Also in other films. Took me time to decide on that and I figured you know what I’ll just put it all because they have him spread throughout.

And also with the Mandalorian they don’t plan to stop making that apparently - there’s going to be another couple seasons of the Mandalorian. I’m wondering how long that’s going to stretch out

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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_jagmcqv wrote

Yeah but the point I was making was that the graph is visualising the timeline of the shows, not the individual characters. You've made a good start here but I definitely think it needs tweaks.

Also why is revenge of the sith like 15 years?

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random1888wagred t1_jagmn9f wrote

Yeah definitely some confusion in the middle with Andor, obi and solo

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagn4qk wrote

Lol, yeah the funny part is I made it all solo, watching the films. I kept getting confused even watching…

then when I was researching data or other timelines and storylines, it was still confusing.. one person made it this way, another person made it another way.

I’m like alright, I’m gonna make one that’s like ay everyone! Did I get it right? If so awesome, if not let me know I’ll fix the millennium falcon… chewy! let’s get down to the bottom of it, may the force be with us 😂

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagmsrg wrote

Revenge of the Sith starts up during the clone wars, rolls into the rebels. The other shows/films start to come out as well after the clone wars stop or roll past the rebels into the other episodes.

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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_jagnb67 wrote

Are you sure it's quite thst long though? I might be wrong but doesn't seem right to me. As far as I remember the movie starts with battling grievous during the clone wars as you said, then they chase him, eventually crashing his ship into Coruscant where Anakin reunites with Padme. I don't remember there being any long lapses in time

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagozyf wrote

That one took me awhile to figure out. Hoping I got it right. I agree with you sometimes there’s a few weird spans that just see odd

So how I figured it out or started the timeline was remembering that Yoda was like 1000 years old and Rey was Solo and Leia baby girl.

Then from there I remembered and connected a bunch of dots. The Obi show started about 10 years or so after clone wars.

Then, in the Mandalorian they hand Grogu to Luke.

Where I tagged Ahsoka was in the rebels as a young girl.. then her show to come out along with the Mando and Boba etc.

Then Obi-Wan in the episode attack of the clones crosses paths with Boba Fett as a little boy.

Also what confused me a lot was, Star Wars has this BBY timeline. I configured our humans natural lifespan; also considered George Lucas in a creative way is trying to tell us viewers something in 100 years of our lifetimes (if we get to live that long); I also took into factor, how some ages and spans can be off a little, characters are on different planets and with time traveling, characters ages could be altered a little different.

And then Yoda’s death and Grogu being the one, as well as Reys birth, Leila’s death, and then the flashbacks with Kylo and Han solo. As well as Andor & Jyn death on the beach in Rouge one. As well as Krennic killing Jyn dad.

So I took all that into consideration, and then mapped it out from there. It really is this 100 year span of a big bang theory.

And then I also connected a bunch of other characters into the timelines, and where they appear in the shows and movies. I had to watch the movies like five times over. It took me hours/days to figure out

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DazedWithCoffee t1_jahdjnn wrote

Stack this up with games next, that’s pretty awesome

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Bittof t1_jai8uc2 wrote

Top left, “Repbulic.”

Sorry.

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jaitjxo wrote

Hahah late night typo, got me 🤦🏻‍♂️😆

It’s all love, no worries, and on a personal note.. I have dyslexia, my whole life I’ve always had trouble with it.

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dameddler t1_jajjrk7 wrote

We don't actually count the last three movies do we?

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jajkfwj wrote

I see what your saying lol… some of them I don’t even know why they made them. I do think that they keep making too much Star Wars.. I really hope it doesn’t become Marvel lol. Like how marvels like let’s have twenty Spider-Man movies, when we only need like.. 3-4 and on to something else.

What I did here was just take all the published films and shows and try to organize their titles in a timeline.

So, if someone said, let me watch the whole entire galaxy, they sort of would have like a reference to work with. they wouldn’t have to be like a Star Wars expert. They could literally have never watch Star Wars in their life.

Have this little reference guide with all the films/shows ready to watch and watch them in order or whatever way and still connect all of the dots/characters.

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TheOneTrueZippy8 t1_jagr8gu wrote

Who ordered the can of worms ?

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Likeitisouthere OP t1_jagrmfk wrote

George Lucas

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TheOneTrueZippy8 t1_jags6ba wrote

I hate to be the one to break it to you but he is/was making it up as he goes along, as is everyone else involved. Any attempt at a timeline is going to be messy, contradictory and with errors because they exist in the stories themselves.

This is the way.

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mjb2012 t1_jahtb75 wrote

Agreed.

When defending his ad-hoc approach to the prequels and tinkering with the original trilogy, Lucas said something about these stories being retellings of the same myth. So I think we can't even read too much into the episode numbers. Each trilogy is a different way of telling the same story, and each episode has some myth-retelling within it, as well. It's supposed to be all mixed up and ambiguous and repetitive, because that's how legends are. Thus, the fact that the events of one trilogy must precede the events of another doesn't mean they are perfectly accurate, in-universe continuations of the same story. The lines between canon and non-canon are intentionally blurred.

The same thing happens in the Zelda video game series.

Looking at it this way is the only thing that keeps me from getting too bent out of shape about things like "...another world-destroying space station that needs to be sabotaged by scrappy rebels? really?"

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disrespectedLucy t1_jagvi3c wrote

I can't find a source quickly on Google, but isn't the Clone Wars movie not cannon? I need to rewatch it but I'm pretty sure it's timing with the series breaks cannon and doesn't make sense

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