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Eric1491625 t1_j9sdmnw wrote

Reply to comment by ExpensiveSwordfish65 in [OC] National Divorce by the Numbers (Politics, Demographics, GDP) by tabthough

Except how would you explain the breakup of the USSR? Why didn't the USSR slaughter their way to unity?

The USSR did not collapse like the Ottomans or Germany - due to fighting total war, exhausting their military and losing. They had their military intact.

The Soviet military was near peak strength, with 40,000 nuclear warheads containing some 500,000 Hiroshima bombs worth of explosive yield. Half a million Hiroshimas. And tens of thousands of tanks. Yet they did not use force. The Russian tanks didn't roll in.

It's funny that Americans consider Soviets and Russians to be brutal, rights-abusing, atrocity-committing evil guys - compared to "civilised" Americans - yet expect the US soldiers to murderously suppress seccessionists in a way even the "more brutal" Soviet soldiers did not.

Just food for thought.

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ltlawdy t1_j9uvm8f wrote

They didn’t slaughter their way to unity because: 1). Change in leadership, 2). No money, 3). Shake up of natural/governmental order

Why would they use nuclear weapons, pissing off the wider world, while habit very little to no effective military capacity?

Those satellite states were offered referendums to leave. Should Russia have changed government, went back on their word and start taking over the land? Again, pissing off everyone?

Nothing you’ve said proves anything, it’s just silly talk points that have no basis in reality. The USSR collapsed. Russia didn’t have the capabilities to pursue any world doctrine.

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ExpensiveSwordfish65 t1_j9se8u0 wrote

Didn't Russia lose land and people from the perimeter of its nation leaving a fairly intact centralized nation? Our case isn't as simple as north and south anymore.

And I'm resigned with blood being spilt over this. MTG was right about one thing: this is an abusive relationship. And the abusers would be leaving. We're not gonna have peace when one side has built their entire tribal identity on war with the other side. So they can leave.

It's better than dealing with their domestic terror I'm and whittling away at specific peoples rights just because they don't like them.

It is brutal. But don't for one fucking second blame the left. This would be literally what they're clamoring for now.

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