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raff7 t1_jac9h0y wrote

Im glad I live in a country where tipping food deliveries is not a thing.. it’s just dumb.. if you need the cash to pay the driver just add a service fee and make it mandatory.. leaving it up to the client just makes 0 sense

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FatboySlimThicc t1_jach8fo wrote

I don't know where you live but where I live there usually is a service fee and sometimes there's even an additional delivery fee, and a tip is expected on top of all that. That's how an $8 sandwich will end up costing $23

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raff7 t1_jackix1 wrote

Well.. that’s just a scam lol I live in Europe.. here you have usually a delivery fee (around $1 or $2 but often this is waived if the order is big enough ) and sometimes a service fee of a few dollars.. but no tip is expected

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gust-of-wind-dance t1_jacjzzd wrote

And hardly any of that goes to the driver…stop using these apps

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FatboySlimThicc t1_jadrm6e wrote

I don't use any of the "big" delivery apps anymore. I usually just order pickup directly from the restaurants now. Delivery is a scam.

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restform t1_jacnw15 wrote

Why tf are the drivers using the apps then? Seems kinda odd

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ComparisonPlus5196 t1_jacp4s7 wrote

How else would the driver get an order? Start calling up restaurants and asking if they need a driver? Well, most restaurants only deliver through the apps now since it’s cheaper than paying an employee. The gig economy changed the game completely and relies on cheap unscheduled labor. The “perks” are supposed to be: Be your own boss, pick your own hours, work only as much as you want. In reality, they need to work 60+ hour weeks to survive or have another job that pays more.

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TheMelv t1_jaddxqw wrote

There's actually a space for it. I was out of town on a job and a guy orders McD delivered and it was a lady and her friend talking with a kid in the back seat. I'm sure it's a godsend for new parents, not too many jobs let you bring your kid. I've done it for side money because where I live, most of it is done by cyclists and I like to bike anyway. Feel a little guilty though because I know others might really need the money more than me. It's really rough though for people that depend on it for their income 100% it is nice to be completely independent and not have to deal with any kind of boss or supervisor.

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IMovedYourCheese t1_jad51ho wrote

Drivers make decent money with delivery apps. And they are adults who can figure out whether a job is worth it to them or not. You don’t have to push your morality on others. Let people drive if they want, and let people order if they want.

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Tru35lang t1_jaenqse wrote

Would be much cheaper and easier at that point to either cook yourself or go get it yourself lol

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FatboySlimThicc t1_jaer0qr wrote

Yeah I hardly ever go out for anything I can make at home myself. I haven't been to Taco Bell in almost 3 years now LOL. Pretty much the only takeout I get now is fried chicken (not worth the hassle), sushi, a few Chinese food dishes, and pizza from my favorite place.

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EarningsPal t1_jad3427 wrote

If you’re ordering food delivery, you have the means to tip at least $1. It’s only $1 to you after paying a premium to have someone prepare your food, and an app organize the delivery.

The grueling job is the delivery for so little pay. So the tip means the most to the delivery person. It adds up in a shift if everyone would at least tip something.

So little to the payer, adds up to a lot to the person working.

Just tip something.

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No_Afternoon6743 t1_jacuncr wrote

Tipping delivery drivers is the only way they make a decent income. If you're ordering food, make sure to leave a good tip. Each company has its own model and are subject to local, provincial/regional, and federal laws, but by-and-large the breakdown is (numbers based on my local figures):

A service fee goes to the company. E.g., 1$ (Skip) to 10% of the order (UberEats). This does not pay much to the company, and exists mostly so that you think that they are only making a couple dollars per order.

A delivery fee goes to the driver. This is calculated vastly differently on different services. It's usually either distance-based or a flat fee. This is not meant to pay a living wage; if drivers were only paid this fee, they would actually lose money per order from gas and car degradation. This fee usually works out to 1-3$.

The order fee is where the delivery service makes most of their money. They charge usually 20-35% of the order fee as a commission from the restaurant. This is predatory as hell, but it keeps profits up and costs low for consumers. (Except that now restaurants are raising their prices so that they can make normal profits again, so the cost is invisibly passed on to consumers.) This is where the profits come from.

Finally, the tip. The tip is where the driver makes the vast majority of their money. On the standard tip on the standard order (15-18% on a 25-30$ order) this works out to around 4.5-5.5$.

So, on a 30$ order, a restaurant will make 23$, the company will make 8.5-10.5$, the driver will make 6-7.5$ from fee+tip before expenses, and the total amount cost to consumer is 43-44$.

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All that to say: In tip-based countries, you need to tip your delivery drivers or they are getting totally screwed over (instead of just a bit screwed over).

The alternative would be to pay drivers a fair fee. But companies don't want to do that because: 1) they're afraid that will make drivers look like employees and that would cut deeply into their profits, 2) consumers don't like seeing big numbers on the order.

I'm currently working on developing an alternative for my local community which would be organized as a driver-owned co-operative and would pay a flat fee and charge restaurants less. But the only reason this has a change to work is that we can operate with little-to-no profit and we're still going to need to charge more than our competitors.

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