2puritan4reddit t1_j9wbdpu wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:45 AM

Reply to comment by Mushroom_Tip in [OC] How much territory Russia and Ukraine hold at one year of war by gridnews

Well, there's media bias. Since those who were prevented from leaving aren't covered as much due to a combination of western media bias (we don't see or hear them so we don't think about them as much) and also for propaganda purposes (portraying the Ukrainian people as more committed to the war than they really are). u/PerpetualHillman did not give an exact number.

Mushroom_Tip t1_j9wc8en wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:51 AM

Given we still see protests out of Russia leak online, even though they literally haul people off and try to shut down any dissenting voices, if people were unhappy and wanted their government to surrender, we would see them marching or we would see them being being arrested or attacked for speaking out.

The question is what would you expect to see if Ukrainians didn't want their country to continue fighting? And where are you seeing this?

And I disagree a bit about Western media bias. It's not a monolith. OAN just did a show on Dugin. There is always a market out there for things that make Ukraine look bad.

2puritan4reddit t1_j9wcpso wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:55 AM

By the way, I never said Ukrainians want their country to stop fighting. I'm saying the Ukrainian people may not be as committed to the war as western propaganda may imply.

>And I disagree a bit about Western media bias. It's not a monolith. OAN just did a show on Dugin. There is always a market out there for things that make Ukraine look bad.

There's also Fox news. I was mostly thinking about social media and such when I wrote those comments regarding propaganda.

Mushroom_Tip t1_j9wcwtu wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:56 AM

Then I think our convo has reached its end. Have a good rest of your day.

2puritan4reddit t1_j9whoyb wrote on February 25, 2023 at 1:33 AM

Night where I live. You too.

The man himself u/perpetualhillman has commented on this thread.

PerpetualHillman t1_j9wc9j6 wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:51 AM

I only saw what I saw. I cannot speak on the issue from any objective standpoint.

2puritan4reddit t1_j9we35k wrote on February 25, 2023 at 1:05 AM

Woah. It's you! I saw your username appear on my notifications and stared at it for a few seconds in surprise. I may disagree with some of your life choices but I do enjoy reading your compasses.

You might want to reply to the other person, since he doesn't view you as credible and all that.

2puritan4reddit t1_j9wfeqk wrote on February 25, 2023 at 1:15 AM

Also remember to tag your post NSFW.