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latinometrics OP t1_j8etdnl wrote
Sources: Financial Times, EIA, CNIH, OPEC
Tools: Excel, Rawgraphs, Affinity Designer
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latinometrics OP t1_j8ev7go wrote
From our newsletter:
Oil production growth since 2000:
β’ π²π½ Mexico: -47%
β’ π»πͺ Venezuela: -77%
β’ NEW MEXICO: +812%
With a tiny fraction of the population of Venezuela and Mexico, the US state of New Mexico has experienced a boom in its oil & gas sector in recent years, surpassing the LatAm oil giants' production.
According to a Financial Times story by Myles McCormick, the boom accelerated after Russia invaded Ukraine, which drove Russia out of the list of US suppliers, and demand for domestic oil to record levels.
Aside from the obvious economic perks this brings to the state and the US, New Mexico's workforce is thriving. There's been a great decline in unemployment and a great increase in wages.
People working in the industry can earn over $27/hour, forcing companies in other sectors to compete. According to McCormick, Burger King is now offering $28/hour in NM, compared to $19/hour in New York City (so 47% higher than one of the most expensive cities to live in).
McCormick's analysis also points out that the increased production has taken the state's budget from $6B four years ago to around $9.5B this year, leading to increased spending in education, housing, healthcare, and infrastructure.
faceintheblue t1_j8ewame wrote
That is a pretty crazy spike! Once upon a time I used to build oil and gas conferences. New Mexico wasn't even in the top ten US states we were looking at for shale oil/tight oil development. I got out of that space around 2010, which looks like when things started picking up for New Mexico. Pretty amazing what the last decade has done!
Birdy_Cephon_Altera t1_j8f0tju wrote
One thing to note, though, is that New Mexico's proved reserves, while second largest of all states (Texas by far and away in first spot), there are only 4.9 billion barrels of proved reserves. At the rate they're pumping, they may tap all known reserves within a decade. This is compared to Venezuela, which is the country with the largest pool of proved reserves at 300 billion barrels - even more than Saudi Arabia. So they have room for continued production for many decades. (Mexico, for comparison, is closer to New Mexico in proved reserves at 5.8 billion barrels)
AutisticHistoryLover t1_j8f1gah wrote
Guessing this is because of the part of the Permian Basin that crosses into New Mexico? I know that it does and that the Permian Basin is part of the backbone of the shale economy here in Texas.
studude765 t1_j8f60sh wrote
I would point out that both Venezuelan and Mexican oil are state-owned/operated production firms...also in both countries the governments use them to fund government spending and there is little to no capex in keeping up/expanding oil production...basically the state is really bad at running companies efficiently, and often uses them as a piggy-bank, which has been generally true forever. Governments suck at running companies/making them grow long-term. Capital allocation is terrible within these companies generally speaking.
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latinometrics OP t1_j8f9lal wrote
They're second only to Texas now!
ILLRATEDATBUTT t1_j8fh7xu wrote
Damm old mexico cant keep up
Stoyfan t1_j8fka74 wrote
Its not so simple. After all, some of the largest oil producing companies are SOEs (Equinor and Aramco being examples). The issue with venezuela's oil production decline may be down to lack of investment and mismanagement but that isn't really the case for Mexico.
That has more to do with demand for domestic oil production increasing in the US, which means less demand for Mexican oil.You can see the result of that for New Mexican oil and Mexican oil production. One goes up whereas the other goes down because people are buying less from Mexico.
studude765 t1_j8fkzuh wrote
>Its not so simple. After all, some of the largest oil producing companies are SOEs (Equinor and Aramco being examples).
Both of these are publicly traded/have private shareholders...sure the state does own the bulk of the equity, but they are partially private and have to publicly report financial results. The other primary difference is that their profits are not solely used to fund the government/they are not operated in that ways as a source of tax revenue...both of these 2 companies have a line between the BOD and the government, which is not the case with PEMEX or Venezuela's oil company (which report directly to the government).
>The issue with venezuela's oil production decline may be down to lack of investment and mismanagement but that isn't really the case for Mexico.
Yes it is the case for Pemex...Pemex profits accounted for about 25% of Mexico's government revenues. Literally the first article that came up below...it's pretty well known that a lack of investment is the main reason for Pemex's long-term declining production.
https://money.cnn.com/2012/08/17/news/economy/mexico-oil/index.html
>That has more to do with demand for domestic oil production increasing in the US, which means less demand for Mexican oil.
Pemex can sell oil to anybody...oil is a globally traded commodity...they don't need just the US to buy it.
>You can see the result of that for New Mexican oil and Mexican oil production. One goes up whereas the other goes down because people are buying less from Mexico.
This is primarily due to the declining production of Pemex oil...
ACorania t1_j8fl80n wrote
And this is why we are such a rich state. <checks stats> oh... wait...
In all seriousness this has caused a surplus with the state funds but things get all jacked up with how they can get spent or not. It is our local political fun apparently.
"Also... a greener economy is right on the horizon! Let's get big into oil!"
ACorania t1_j8fldm3 wrote
That is exactly right. There is differences on how the permitting and such is done to access things on this side of the Texas/NM boarder, but they are pulling from the same "pool" if you will.
ACorania t1_j8flp1l wrote
Fun fact: New Mexico is older than the country of Mexico. They were both named after a valley of Mexico down were present day Mexico City is.
AquaNeutral_ t1_j8fo7i2 wrote
the fuck happened in venezuela in 2003
nielskut t1_j8frlul wrote
Looks like Venezuela needs some FreedomΒ©
pk10534 t1_j8ft284 wrote
I wonder with the continued implementation of climate change policies and regulations, as well as the shift towards EVs, if those 300 million barrels will be worth as much in 50 years though
DuzTeD t1_j8ft47n wrote
> basically the state is really bad at running companies efficiently, and often uses them as a piggy-bank, which has been generally true forever
This is somewhat more true for Venezuela than Mexico, but in the context of the global economy the large oil reserve has put a target on the country's back, so to speak. Specifically after Venezuela nationalized their oil extraction industry and opted not to take out any more IMF loans in the early 2000s, their ability to stabilize currency was highly dependent on the oil market which since then has been often unpredictable. Combine this fact with the generally exploitative nature of the first world's relationship with Latin America ("corruption") and the middle eastern OPEC members having an outsized influence on oil production throughout the same period until today and it is not hard to see how Venezuelans came to suffer as a result.
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pk10534 t1_j8fvrbk wrote
Wow, never wouldβve expected New Mexico to become such a large oil producer
taladrovw t1_j8fw4f2 wrote
Thats the old freedom, the new one is Freedom+
taladrovw t1_j8fw90p wrote
The name is older, not the state itslef
Dogrel t1_j8fwemg wrote
Hugo Chavez decided to nationalize the entire Venezuelan oil industry, so the affected oil companies got all of their own employees out of country while they still could.
Thepifanio t1_j8g01bp wrote
Do you seriously think we'll phase out oil and gas any time soon lmao. Maybe production will slow down by the next century, but it won't be for a long long long time.
sxjthefirst t1_j8g2cus wrote
There's some who believe that their current situation is the result of US interventions already
Edit: not saying they're right . Jeez relax!
keinish_the_gnome t1_j8g2rlh wrote
Now New Mexico is gonna be Mexico and Mexico is gonna be Old Mexico. Itβs the law.
giggidy88 t1_j8g2tx4 wrote
Id donβt know about the quality of nm crude, but Venezuelan crude is typically pretty expense to refine.
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_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8g5vwe wrote
Because it couldn't be the nationalization of their economy and series of terrible dictators at fault.
TomaCzar t1_j8g9t15 wrote
Shouldn't it be "New Mexico Now Produces More Oil Than Both Mexico & Venezuela". As written, the comparison could be read as Mexico and Venezuela combined rather than independently. Or maybe I'm just wrong.
RTR7105 t1_j8ga2nr wrote
Fracked oil isn't counted as proved reserves usually.
RTR7105 t1_j8ga77s wrote
Hydrocarbons especially.
Nytonial t1_j8gb6c4 wrote
Freedom pro max
Clique_Claque t1_j8gbwhm wrote
Communism does it again!
a_trane13 t1_j8gc66s wrote
Crude will still be needed for plastics and polymers, and without as much gasoline demand it will be a little less of a commodity, which typically means more expensive. Especially once some oil refining facilities start to age out and close without being replaced.
neo1ogism t1_j8gcb65 wrote
We're just gonna keep "producing" more and more oil until the world burns up and/or drowns, or the oil runs out, whichever comes first.
jkowal43 t1_j8ggmqo wrote
Freedom plus pro max from Capital Oneβ¦ whatβs in your wallet?
histprofdave t1_j8gicrz wrote
Hey what do you know, there's a NEW Mexico!
Bennito_bh t1_j8gj6c1 wrote
Why are they pumping it now? The USβs take on oil production has been to let others burn their reserves first while keeping ours for a rainy day
Jemse55 t1_j8glhxj wrote
Welp, Mexico won't have oil to brag about now...we are fucked.
Yeangster t1_j8gmjto wrote
With Aramco, they generally just have to dig a hole in the ground with a shovel and oil comes gushing out. But it is true that the House of Saud has been pretty good at taking care of the goose that lays the golden eggs. Letβs if that stays the case after MBS overturns the old system.
Equinor is more the exception that proves the rule when it comes to national oil companies. Theyβre even competitive in producing resources outside of Norway!
With both Pemex and PSVSA, you see production collapsing due to a combination of cronyism, corruption, lack of investment, generally too many people with their hands in the pot and lack of foreign competition to keep things honest. PDVSA is even worse off because of nationalizations and all the other problems with the Venezuelan economy.
marvelous_much t1_j8gmkuk wrote
Yet, New Mexico is one of the poorest states in the US.
notreal088 t1_j8gnloz wrote
Itβs not call New Mexico for nothing. Itβs a clear upgrade lol
KikeRiffs t1_j8gnnni wrote
This is a true fact, however you forgot one variable which is affecting less (or maybe none) in New Mexico: Corruption.
Venezuela became a gangster state, the amount of money stolen is unimaginable. Think about the production of oil around 2008-2012 or so⦠the barrel price hit the 100s and producing at a still high capacity. None if this money was properly invested in the country.
Also Venezuela got into more debt with China in a loan-for-oil style of debt. There might be a big chunk of the daily production of oil just destined to pay that back.
Just to give you another last hint of the massive corruption: since Chavez, the government decided to give subsidised oil to Cuba for βhumanitarianβ reasons. But there were reports that Cuba was re-selling that oil in conjunction with some Venezuelan politicians as well. Free money!
So yeah, the money that should have been invested properly for a normal market, has been destined to corruption.
ClarkFable t1_j8go7zt wrote
Proven reserves is a very unreliable indicator for actual supply in the ground.
peter303_ t1_j8gpg9i wrote
The United States has been self-sufficient in crude oil and petroleum products since 2020. New Mexico contributed to this.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_sndw_dcus_nus_w.htm (see net imports near bottom)
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NoWayNotThisAgain t1_j8gsfsi wrote
New Mexico was New Mexico before Mexico was Mexico. True story.
NoWayNotThisAgain t1_j8gsm7o wrote
They were nationalized in 1968. What Chavez did was get rid of engineers and put his friends and family in charge.
NoWayNotThisAgain t1_j8gstyn wrote
Thereβs also a lot of oil in the San Juan basin near the 4 corners
ravenhawk10 t1_j8gtj3z wrote
You say Saudi Aramco is publically traded but itβs only got a measly 1.5% traded and only from 2019. Its basically fully government owned and lines government coffers nicely every year. The whole point of the IPO was becuase the government wanted cash. To be fair they are using it for a sovereign wealth fund to diversify their revenue. Furthermore, the IPO didnβt attract much interest from western capital markets for problems commonly associated with SOEs, like corporate transparency and political risk.
It sounds more like Saudi Gov is just more competent at management than the Venezuela Gov.
Corundrom t1_j8gucaj wrote
Fun fact, new Mexico is older than mexico
sgigot t1_j8gvhnc wrote
Same thing happened in North Dakota 15-20 years ago. It's a great deal for the workers who show up, but a better deal for anyone who can sell them trucks or rent them apartments. It's a raw deal for anyone growing up there because you either have to work in the oil patch, find a way to cater to the travellers, or go broke.
UnoStronzo t1_j8gvk5t wrote
You should do a graph of the most powerful Latino passports
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brandude87 t1_j8gwpaq wrote
Are we rooting for oil now?
Questjon t1_j8gx1oz wrote
Venezuela's entire economy was oil. The oil was being extracted by foreign companies who got a large portion of the profits in exchange for extracting the oil. In 2003 the new government decided it wanted all the profit, fired all 19000 employees in the oil companies and replaced them with Venezuelans (ones loyal to the new government). It turns out extracting oil is actually very difficult and the lack of expertise killed the industry.
That's the abridged version, there's more to the story but the moral is, don't mess with success, diversify your portfolio, never fire all the smart people.
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darexinfinity t1_j8gy0y7 wrote
Personal ICEs will be phased out as batteries get cheaper/potent and auto manufacturers will focus on EVs as their main product. This is great as Americans won't be beholden to gas prices anymore and won't face spikes like we saw last year.
Although (unfortunately) there will still be plenty of use for oil and gas.
amorphatist t1_j8gy6ls wrote
Brought to you by Carlβs Jr
VoraciousTrees t1_j8gyjvi wrote
What would you guess would happen if you forced soldiers in your military to run your oil infrastructure after driving out all your foreign engineers?
Well, that.
Kebo94 t1_j8gz3in wrote
More like there was a massive general strike and oil production stopped due to the strike. In the aftermath Chavez fired 40% of the work force of PDVSA.
kaizokuuuu t1_j8h0dxk wrote
Isn't that why the Mexican war was waged?
chidoOne707 t1_j8h0mzr wrote
Great, now they can buy from there.
skiddles1337 t1_j8h198e wrote
Venezuela in 03 "my A1C was here, but it needed to be here"
garo_fp t1_j8h1rh5 wrote
Yβall still got Televisa to brag about!
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Daniferd t1_j8h42ew wrote
But that's not real communism /s
Arronax50 t1_j8h5by5 wrote
Don't worry. Most countries don't do shit about EVs, in Latin America an electric car is as rare as a 50 yo virgin.
pk10534 t1_j8h5dfz wrote
It was the same in the US ten years ago, who knows where itβll be in the next 50
No-Concert4588 t1_j8h69ly wrote
So new mexico is actually old mexico?
NotThatZachRoberts t1_j8h6fp4 wrote
Canβt imagine why Venezuela is not producing as much oil. Surely couldnβt be just a simple political reason caused by moronic politics.
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Corundrom t1_j8h764r wrote
Old Mexico is the canyon, New Mexico is new Mexico, and Mexico is new new mexico
GlossedAllOver t1_j8h9qrq wrote
Hate seeing Western propaganda here.
Putting his brother, Doofus Chavez, in charge demonstrated that the People's Will triumphs over the supposed need of experience and middle school education.
Welpe t1_j8ha139 wrote
Iβm no expert in economics, but this chart doesnβt look great for Venezuela. Has anyone checked in on them recently?
cnaughton898 t1_j8ha7wr wrote
Yeah, but within 20-30 years our dependence on oil will be far less than it is today. There will also be greater competition from 3rd world countries being able to develop their own infrastructure.
cnaughton898 t1_j8hamqg wrote
The state nationalised the oil companies and then didn't actually invest into things like RnD. Started appointing people for political reasons instead of competent engineers.
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Bmw-invader t1_j8hdh46 wrote
Ehhh it was named New Mexico when it was literally still part of βoldβ Mexico (new Spain). Itβs not like the American state of New Mexico is older that the country of Mexico. It wasnβt even part of the US yet when it was named.
Kumimono t1_j8hdx2v wrote
What's that big dip in Venezuela's output in, 03 or so?
redditacc4_1 t1_j8hf0hu wrote
It's getting better though. This has given us free college tuition, the first state in the US to do that.
redditacc4_1 t1_j8hf3ak wrote
Russian sanctions
BobLoblaw_BirdLaw t1_j8hflkc wrote
Why didnβt they just tax them more and make them pay higher share of the oil. Rather than get greedy and want 100%. Orrrr slowly build your expertise over decades times. And then diversify like saudis
Art_Vandelay1990 t1_j8hfx89 wrote
Not being the primary source of oil production? Believe it or not - straight to jail.
niwuniwak t1_j8hghnw wrote
And a great day for the environment again...
Parker_Noble t1_j8hgxyq wrote
I wonder if NM have a view that their oil is a depreciating asset, so theyβd rather get it sold as quickly as possible to extract as much value from it?
Eastlifephilosophy t1_j8hhdcp wrote
Democracy and free world people want to ,,own,, Venecuela but
newwardorder t1_j8higj1 wrote
Itβs typically intermediate. Most of NMβs oil and natural gas is in the Permian Basin.
sryforbadenglishthx t1_j8hii2p wrote
Its not like were having a climate emergency rn
be_more_constructive t1_j8hikvv wrote
>slowly build your expertise over decades times
Very few countries have the foresight or the political systems in place to do so. When you're an authoritarian populist like Chavez your tomorrow is not guaranteed and you need to take actions that have immediate effect. Tbh, that's true of most leaders.
micheleberaudo t1_j8hj8g8 wrote
New Mexico Is the new Mexico
TheFek t1_j8hjzv3 wrote
Somehow not real socialism
danielv123 t1_j8hmsfo wrote
More like if you aren't pumping and selling it someone else are going to do it later.
danielv123 t1_j8hmuo5 wrote
I mean, not being allowed to trade doesn't help their economy either.
danielv123 t1_j8hmxtd wrote
Emissions controls are also bound to become stricter, which increases prices.
kungpaocheese t1_j8hnimj wrote
But one of the most beautiful.
Richardkluge t1_j8hp1te wrote
As others have noted, proved reserves (in the US) should not be used this way. They are a financial definition used to support loans for drilling. You can increase proven reserves by drilling more test wells. USGS estimate of oil reserves for those who are curious: https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/usgs-announces-largest-continuous-oil-assessment-texas-and-new-mexico
Empire_Engineer t1_j8hp3n8 wrote
Youβre right dude
Imagine if everyone in the country benefitted from oil production instead of just a handful of oil executives and shareholders. That would be TERRIBLE
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Eraserguy t1_j8hqagw wrote
Wtf happened I 2016 to venezuala?
Questjon t1_j8hrsrq wrote
There's no good answer, they thought the job was easier than it was and they'd be freeing up a few hundred billion dollars a year that they believed rightly belonged to their country. I'm sure in hindsight they'd do things differently.
The Saudis as you say did things the smart way, they started out with a 50/50 profit split with American companies and over time used their profits to take more control and increase taxes and eventually own the entire industry and diversify profits. That process did take 50 years though and Venezuela's government wanted fast results because they weren't an authoritarian regime like the Saudis and needed to win the next election.
Although Maduro fucked the economy so badly that he ended up turning Venezuela into a sham democracy and seizing authoritarian power because there was no chance of him winning a fair election. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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DRamos11 t1_j8htjco wrote
ChΓ‘vez wins the elections in 2002. After this, signatures start being collected in 2003 to request a referendum to have him step down.
Government finds out which employees of PDVSA (the Stateβs oil company) signed in favor of the referendum, violating the right of a private vote defended by the constitution, and has them fired.
Obviously, the country still required the company to produce, so they replaced expertise and experience with political loyalty, which is also the reason production has declined ever since.
Source: My dad was one of them.
Bonus fact #1: the list of signatures against ChΓ‘vez is called the βTascΓ³n Listβ, and was used to ensure the fired employees werenβt in the payroll of any oil companies, including foreign ones with permits to exploit, by threats of steep fines and remotion of such permits.
Bonus fact #2: same thing happened with Maisanta, the so-called βSocialist Company of Agricultural Production and Developmentβ in 2004 (Source).
Bonus fact #3: Same thing happened again in 2016, when calling for a referendum to have NicolΓ‘s Maduro step down (Source in Spanish).
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AdamsFei t1_j8hyb7o wrote
So the drop in production is also western propaganda?
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Disruption0 t1_j8i3a2o wrote
Who will profit from Venezuela's reserves in the next decades this i am very curious.
Belnak t1_j8i54yv wrote
Negative net imports doesn't mean self-sufficient. If we're continuously importing just as much, or more, than we're exporting, we're not relying on our own supply, and don't have the infrastructure in place to use our domestic product. Self-sufficiency would mean we can stop importing oil and separate ourselves from OPEC's pricing monopoly. We cannot.
SteveInMotion t1_j8i5eep wrote
In a free economy, the benefits flow to many people. In a state controlled economy like Venezuela π»πͺ the benefits stay with the dictators and their friends.
waiver t1_j8i788u wrote
The Kingdom of Mexico is older than the province of New Mexico, the country Mexico is older than the state of New Mexico.
isocrackate t1_j8icn0p wrote
New Mexico reserves are probably understated because of how unconventional PUDs work.
The_GOATest1 t1_j8idlhk wrote
That is the subscription for Freedom
red_dog007 t1_j8ifvwg wrote
Dang, whats going on in Mexico?
Empire_Engineer t1_j8ig0os wrote
Is this something you know for certain or are you just parroting what you heard on Fox News / MSNBC?
There have been instances where nationalizing resources has directly benefited the population. Here are a few examples:
- Norway's nationalization of oil reserves: Norway nationalized its oil reserves in the 1970s and created the state-owned company Statoil (now Equinor). The revenues from the oil industry were used to fund social programs and invest in infrastructure, education, and healthcare. This has made Norway one of the most prosperous and equal societies in the world.
2.Bolivia's nationalization of gas: In 2006, Bolivia's President Evo Morales nationalized the country's natural gas industry. This move allowed the government to increase its share of the revenue generated from the industry and invest it in social programs such as healthcare, education, and poverty reduction. As a result, poverty rates in Bolivia have decreased, and the country has made significant progress in reducing inequality.
3.Malaysia's nationalization of tin mining: In the 1970s, the Malaysian government nationalized the tin mining industry, which was previously dominated by foreign companies. This move allowed the government to regulate the industry and ensure that the profits were reinvested in the country's economic development. As a result, Malaysia was able to diversify its economy and achieve significant economic growth, which benefited the population.
mjvc t1_j8ig411 wrote
So it's relation to the nahuatl language is a lie...
AverageAustralian111 t1_j8igugo wrote
Really? Wouldn't self-sufficiency just mean you can cut yourselves off from the entire global market?
If you keep trading on the global market, you're susceptible to price changes (caused by OPEC) regardless of how much you produce or so I would've though.
(I'm not an expert on this so please correct me if I'm wrong)
mjvc t1_j8igvf2 wrote
Idk, OR would make more sense to me
_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8il02q wrote
They are allowed to trade.
zoopcupness t1_j8imhf5 wrote
World: Let's move away from carbon as an energy source USA: I'm winning now!
(Yes I realize there is nuance here, just making a joke)
studude765 t1_j8ipv7s wrote
>You say Saudi Aramco is publically traded but itβs only got a measly 1.5% traded and only from 2019.
They still have to operate as a publicly traded company with an unbiased BOD, and have to do all the financial reporting/auditing that comes with being publicly traded.
>Its basically fully government owned and lines government coffers nicely every year.
But it's not the government making capital allocation decisions, it's the BOD and management...this is the key difference
>The whole point of the IPO was becuase the government wanted cash. To be fair they are using it for a sovereign wealth fund to diversify their revenue. Furthermore, the IPO didnβt attract much interest from western capital markets for problems commonly associated with SOEs, like corporate transparency and political risk.
Again though...the company does not take direction from the government (at least directly).
>It sounds more like Saudi Gov is just more competent at management than the Venezuela Gov.
The thing is the Venezuelan government directly controls and mandates what their oil company does as far as dividends, capital investment, etc....this is not the case with Saudi Aramco. Even with Saudi Aramco though, these companies (with large state ownership) do tend to have worse capital investment ROI and poor capital allocation over time.
SteveInMotion t1_j8is21v wrote
Iβve done business in Venezuela. Chavezβs family wound up with billions of dollars. Also I donβt watch TV news. Sod off.
10xwannabe t1_j8it8sw wrote
I believe Norway is only 2/3rd owner of Equinor last I checked after a merger with someone else years ago. Rest is public owned (my guess) as it traded on public markets.
rayden-shou t1_j8iwh3z wrote
They're autosustainable, why would they need to trade with capitalistic pigs?
Unless...
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8j4com wrote
Over 7 million Venezuelans have achieved Freedom, by leaving Venezuela. https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/venezuela-emergency.html
Venezuela has very little strategic significance. The country is not "on the way" to anywhere. No vital sea lanes etc. Just a bunch of sour oil.
The Middle East is different. The Middle East sits at the crossroads to 3 continents, and is a vital chokepoint for the entire Eastern Hemisphere. Which is why great powers have been fighting over the area for thousands of years.
Also, the United States didn't steal a drop of Iraq's oil, unless the soldiers were sneaking it out in their canteens.
Exactly Zero US companies won any contracts when Iraq auctioned off their oil fields. https://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html
GlossedAllOver t1_j8j4pnq wrote
Absolutely. Doofus Chavez has personally guaranteed that production is higher.
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8j59fp wrote
The economic sanctions against Venezuela were super sneaky!
The first economic sanctions occurred in Aug 2017 - https://www.wlrn.org/news/2017-08-25/u-s-imposes-first-economic-sanctions-against-venezuela
But these were no ordinary sanctions! These sanctions travelled back in time to 2011 to cause Venezuela to starve way back then! https://www.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/americas/venezuela-food-shortages/index.html
Even though oil prices were at some of the highest in recorded history, Venezuela was still starving, which is impossible! https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
Then The CIA hacked Venezuela's currency printer, increased their money supply by 1,000,000%, causing the world's highest hyperinflation. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/VENEZUELA-ECONOMY/010040800HY/index.html
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8j5nw7 wrote
>Imagine if everyone in the country benefitted from oil production instead of just a handful of oil executives and shareholders. That would be TERRIBLE
PDVSA, Venezuela's national oil company, only has one shareholder. The government of Venezuela owns PDVSA, all of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDVSA
I am sorry you had to find out this way.
Empire_Engineer t1_j8j75is wrote
I'm sorry you don't understand that the government is a national entity that can dedicate funds toward national benefit. The concept probably isn't lost on you for thinks like infrastructure and defense?
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8j8swk wrote
By 2012, Venezuela had nationalized the oil, gas, electricity, telecommunications, food, agriculture, manufacturing, mining, and finance sectors of the economy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008
Norway's Equinor is 33% owned by Hedge funds, like Black Rock. https://www.equinor.com/investors/our-shareholders
And Bolivia was able to Build a skyscraper for the President to live in with all that money from nationalizing the gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Grande_del_Pueblo#/media/File:Plaza_Murillo_.jpg
The largest tin producer in Malaysia is Malaysia Smelting Company, which has never been nationalized, and is owned by private investors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straits_Trading_Company
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8j9nc7 wrote
I do understand that. That's why I told you that Venezuela's government was the sole shareholder of PDVSA, Venezuela's national oil company.
Not only did Venezuela nationalize all the oil, they nationalized the food, agriculture, electricity, telecommunications, mining, manufacturing, and finance sectors of the economy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008
But you probably knew that.
welkinator t1_j8jbeip wrote
Don't you mean "OR Venezuela"?
PostsNDPStuff t1_j8jfimr wrote
What about new Venezuela?
NMGunner17 t1_j8ji731 wrote
Yeah Iβm gonna call bullshit on Burger King offering $28 an hour in NM, unless youβre just talking about the head manager.
Belnak t1_j8jlnwa wrote
Yes, self-sufficiency would mean we can cut ourselves off from the global market. We can't. Just because we pump enough crude doesn't mean we're able to refine that crude and distribute its products internally. That's why we import about as much as we export. The infrastructure that is in place isn't structured to allow us to use what we're pumping, and too much infrastructure that is in place is structured around imports. There's no financial incentive for companies to tear apart what exists and rebuild it for self-sufficiency.
ravenhawk10 t1_j8jwt6d wrote
My point was that they have managed to operate successfully well before their IPO and associated reporting requirements. They seem to be following best practices and hiring professionals for operations. Then again, aren't these professionals essentially government employees?
Regarding the BOD, do note there are two government ministers sitting on the BOD. The BOD must retain a close relationship with the government, as the government is its only shareholder that matters. The government also has a big impact on the company's profits as its responsible for OPEC negotiations.
Due_Start_3597 t1_j8k1v2s wrote
honestly they should use it up sooner rather than later
there still seem to be some oil economies out there that are basing their futures off oil reserves lasting when they should be basing it off whether the demand for oil goes away due to politics, ESG, activism, the youth generating in particular, other alternatives becoming more viable, etc.
Due_Start_3597 t1_j8k2gm9 wrote
Did the N. Dakota gains from then stick around or not?
I'm thinking of so called "resource cursed" economies (Africa) where the resource they're rich in becomes a curse for future development.
bilboafromboston t1_j8k827n wrote
Ever consider how bad Cuba and Venezuela etc were BEFORE the people revolted? Russia was a cesspool before the Communists, a well fed cesspool with them, and a hell hole now. The right in Venezuela is demonstrably stupid. Actually stupid. Look up how they planned to revolt a few years ago. Outside the border on a bridge! Great idea! Oh wait. Troops closed the border !
_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8kbnmp wrote
"This government is good because the last one was bad too"
bilboafromboston t1_j8kc7wg wrote
No. Just people act like the Cubans etc are looking for freedom. They aren't. They just want to go back and oppress people from their position. Venezuela's right wing was so bad the people revolted. Have you seen how bad South and Central American right wing governments are? But they stay in power. ? Venezuela's " freedom fighters" were oppressive AND incompetent.
_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8kd52t wrote
Cool, more shallow, uneducated internet leftist factoids.
bilboafromboston t1_j8kdnx0 wrote
Lol. You are a fan of right wing monarchy and brutal racist governments. Opposing them doesn't make me a leftist. Opposing putting murderers back in power doesn't make me a leftist. If a government can't stop rape gangs and feed it's people with the mist fertile land on earth, you shouldn't be fellating them in public. Kneel away. Just don't ask me to cheer you on.
_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8kdy22 wrote
Wtf are you talking about
Edit: and you say all of this while rushing to the defense of failed left-wing monarchies without a hint of irony. Sad. I've noticed your sick factoids could really use a touch of self-reflection.
dariohanon t1_j8kev7c wrote
I think the point was to make a joke comparison with both "mexicos" so venezuela was added in parenthesis to keep the joke "pure"
AverageAustralian111 t1_j8ki87l wrote
So different infrastructure is compatible with different types of oil, and US infrastructure is compatible with a different type of oil than US production? Is that correct?
If it is then why on Earth was it set up like that?
Belnak t1_j8kqbk2 wrote
Think of it like this... If a pipeline runs to an east coast port to fill up ships to export to Europe, and another pipeline is set up in Los Angeles to distribute product from the Persian Gulf to gas stations, it's easier to keep doing that than to send a super tanker that doesn't fit through the Panama Canal from that east coast port, around South America, to get it to the port of LA. That's just a hypothetical example, but most of our petro infrastructure was developed before we discovered fracking and started producing enough to cover our needs, and it's expensive to redo everything.
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AverageAustralian111 t1_j8ldfnh wrote
Ah ok, I understand, thanks
bilboafromboston t1_j8lhdce wrote
I didn't defend anyone . Can you read. ? I know you conservatives are against education and all. But the fact is one needs to know the history of a county. Blaming a desert country for a lack of water is stupid. Attacking leaders of an historically shitty country is fine, but one does need to ask what the alternative is.
_Gandalf_the_Ghey_ t1_j8lju4e wrote
Bad comment.
_hell_yeah_brother_ t1_j8lol2o wrote
look at me, I am Mexico now.
FlibbleA t1_j8lpotp wrote
>Norway's Equinor is 33% owned by Hedge funds, like Black Rock.
Why would this be relevant? Does 67% not give you overall control? Also how are Black Rock and other Hedge funds returns benefiting many people and not just the hedge fund?
GeneralNathanJessup t1_j8lwphs wrote
Yes, anything over 51% gives the government of Norway control. But they still must pay dividends to the Hedge funds that own the other 33%.
And no, those dividends paid to hedge funds do not benefit the people of Norway at all, and that was my point.
Do you think it strange that private investors and hedge funds can invest in Norway's "socialist" oil company?
FlibbleA t1_j8lytzk wrote
Right but the problem is that guy is responding to someone saying state business is bad because it doesn't benefit many people unlike private while you are describing how the privatised part of Norway's state oil doesn't benefit the people of Norway unlike the state. That would mean before 2001 and the partial privatisation that it all benefited the people.
latinometrics OP t1_j8lyw86 wrote
We already did! Here π
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gammaradiation2 t1_j8mzf4u wrote
That's columbia.
studude765 t1_j8nmryx wrote
>My point was that they have managed to operate successfully well before their IPO and associated reporting requirements.
They were profitable, but were they as profitable as they could have been? Did they generate as high of an ROIC as they could have? Also the fundamental difference in Saudi Aramco and Venezuela's oil company is that Saudi Aramco is run as a business with little to no direction from the Saudi family (though they do enjoy all of the dividend benefits)...in Venezuela the government directly makes business decisions for the oil company and that has led to poor capital allocation decisions...this is also somewhat true for PEMEX as well.
>They seem to be following best practices and hiring professionals for operations. Then again, aren't these professionals essentially government employees?
Again, the company does not get directly dictated what to do by the government, as does tend to happen in Venezuela and somewhat with PEMEX as well.
>Regarding the BOD, do note there are two government ministers sitting on the BOD.
Out of how many BOD members though? with Venezuela you have pretty much 100% government control and with PEMEX still more government control than 2 BOD members.
klymaxx45 t1_j8of75v wrote
A lot of native american reservations in New Mexico. I wonder if it's being drilled on their land?
GhettoFinger t1_j8oqean wrote
It literally wasnβt communism. If nationalizing your food, energy, oil, and housing markets is communism, then Norway is a commie piece of shit.
Same_Classroom9433 t1_j8rtuly wrote
Its very dirty and need triple the refining...obviously very expensive
pierced_mirror t1_jabt0ig wrote
Valley of Mexico was so named because of the City State of Mexico-Tenochtitlan. In the colonial period former Aztec empire lands became the Kingdom of Mexico which fell under the Viceroy. It's poor history to say that Mexico is an invention of the 19th century or that New Mexico is older than Mexico.
pierced_mirror t1_jabt6dz wrote
Mexico was the name of the capital of the Mexica empire. Their former possessions then became the Kingdom of Mexico under the viceroy until the 19th century. Please stop lying.
NoWayNotThisAgain t1_jabuhv0 wrote
Youβre wrong lol.
It was the name of a valley in the Aztec empire and New Mexico had the name long before Mexico did.
While there were a number of pre-Colombian civilizations that built cities there, the city in the valley that everyone (well⦠everyone who is educated) has heard of was called Tenochititlan.
A simple google search could have stopped you from making a fool of yourself lol πππ
pierced_mirror t1_jaf33ar wrote
And the capital of the Aztec empire was in the Valley of Mexico. No other STATE called itself Mexico. We are talking about political creations, not the names of Valleys. What does it feel like to not even know how to think clearly and come to logical conclusions, clown?
yesoh1 t1_j8et82n wrote
good timing for the era of electric cars