In the lower atmosphere (1.5 km height), the coldest temperatures in the world are heading for the US [OC]Fish_On_again t1_j6xpzii wrote
Reply to comment by MayonaiseBaron in In the lower atmosphere (1.5 km height), the coldest temperatures in the world are heading for the US [OC] by Mathew_Barlow
When were you a little kid? I grew up in the '80s and '90s in upstate NY, and it was always interesting to see if we would actually get a white Christmas, or have enough ice to drive our trucks on the lakes. Then we had those crazy cold winters in the 2000s and 2010s (Even canandaigua Lake froze!), now it seems like we're back to the winter weather of the '90s and late '80s.
Lohikaarme27 t1_j6xxzjk wrote
Relevant and interesting information on that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Snowball_Award#Snowfall_by_season https://www.localsyr.com/winter-outlook-2020/winters-in-syracuse-are-changing/
Fish_On_again t1_j6xypql wrote
I'm actually really looking forward to reading those links, I don't have the time to now. I do know that my area just set a record, this is the first January we've ever had with no daytime highs under 30°.
Edit:. Ugh warmer and more snow.
Fish_On_again t1_j6ygta0 wrote
Thought this was interesting
>The wintertime NAO also exhibits significant multi-decadal variability (Hurrell 1995, Chelliah and Bell 2005). For example, the negative phase of the NAO dominated the circulation from the mid-1950's through the 1978/79 winter. During this approximately 24-year interval, there were four prominent periods of at least three years each in which the negative phase was dominant and the positive phase was notably absent. In fact, during the entire period the positive phase was observed in the seasonal mean only three times, and it never appeared in two consecutive years.
>An abrupt transition to recurring positive phases of the NAO then occurred during the 1979/80 winter, with the atmosphere remaining locked into this mode through the 1994/95 winter season. During this 15-year interval, a substantial negative phase of the pattern appeared only twice, in the winters of 1984/85 and 1985/ 86. However, November 1995 - February 1996 (NDJF 95/96) was characterized by a return to the strong negative phase of the NAO. Halpert and Bell (1997; their section 3.3) recently documented the conditions accompanying this transition to the negative phase of the NAO.
Lohikaarme27 t1_j6yjpt5 wrote
That link is really interesting. Especially where it says a negative NAO is typically associated with below-average temps in the Eastern US
Fish_On_again t1_j6ykl39 wrote
Yeah, even though for this cold snap it's quite positive, and our newest warm up next week coincides with the NAO going neutral.
MayonaiseBaron t1_j6xrc46 wrote
New Hampshire in the 90s/00s. Suprised your lakes don't freeze over every winter, I thought upstate NY was colder than over here. Lake Winnipesaukee freezes over pretty damn solid every year, usually enough to take a bobhouse out.
The lake usually doesn't "ice out" until April, but its been getting earlier every year. Used to work on the Mt Washington as a deck officer and one year we had guys jetskiing in late March.
Fish_On_again t1_j6xrx4m wrote
Definitely colder for you guys. We get a lot of warm air off the ocean and Lake Ontario.
Lohikaarme27 t1_j6xy4ku wrote
Our lakes do generally freeze over every winter. Just depends on the lake
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