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revane t1_j183o3u wrote

I'd imagine the same thing that's going on at most high schools... constant fighting in the hallways. At the school I work at on the south shore, we have fights almost every day. It's exhausting, like the whole school is in a pressure cooker waiting for something to trigger an even bigger explosion.

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Chippopotanuse t1_j184huh wrote

I’m just curious - who is causing the fights every day where you work?

  • Is it random kids who are otherwise great students with no behavior issues?

  • or is it a small subset of problem kids who are difficult to manage?

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revane t1_j1869c5 wrote

Little of both at my school. We definitely have a core group of kids that are constantly wandering in the hallway, cutting class, and meeting up to fight, but there's also been a lot of random kids who are normally fine that get involved. It used to be that fights would be over big issues that bubble over in a planned way ("meet me at the flagpole/bleachers/parking lot" type fights) but it seems like now, these fights are breaking out are over basically nothing and are instant reaction kind of fights - like fighting is first response, plan A when someone feels disrespected even in a small way instead of "resolving" an ongoing feud (does that make any sense lol)

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Chippopotanuse t1_j186v6v wrote

Interesting.

Do you think the pandemic and isolation/home-schooling made kids less able to navigate social conflict?

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revane t1_j18l1bb wrote

I think that's definitely partly to blame- kids in high school now missed out on in person middle school, which is one of the most important ages with social development, especially around mature conflict resolution. That combined with how limited schools are with what we're allowed to do to discipline misbehavior has a LOT of kids feeling like they can do whatever they want and not have any real consequences (and for the most part, they're right).

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Chippopotanuse t1_j18yr8a wrote

This was a tough read. But it seems very much in-line with what folks who work in schools are saying.

I agree that the school systems need help. What do you think would make a positive impact? What is needed to change things for the better at this point?

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SirDaedra t1_j19ba9e wrote

Schools have rightfully been concerned about contributing to the prison to school pipeline but they have veered completely to the other end of the spectrum where there is no accountability whatsoever for students. It’s an anything goes environment. Kids are not dumb, they know there are no consequences.

As a former teacher in two urban school districts (quit my job earlier this year), students who were real hazards to others were constantly let off the hook. One student would constantly sexually harass other female students; he would touch them and corner them if he ever found them in a hallway or room alone. The most that was ever done was a couple days of in-school suspension and then he is back to the classroom afterwards.

We have created a perverse system of incentives for schools. The feds look at suspension data, especially based on race and IEO status. Principals have gotten around this by deciding not to suspend anyone at all. Everything falls on the teacher’s shoulders to handle.

Similarly, my experience has been that we have over-interpreted “least restrictive environment” for students to mean that every student should be placed in a general education without really addressing the issues at hand. “Oh hey Mr. History Teacher, here is this student who we are transferring to your class because he was physical with a student in his previous class. Anytime he needs a break, call the counselor and social worker. Just make sure you don’t call too much or it’s going to be marked as needs improvement on your evaluation.”

And I am not saying that everyone needs to be suspended. To be honest, I’m not sure that solves much of anything. But I do think, if we are going to try this, we need to fully fund schools so they can get appropriate levels of staffing for counselors and crisis responders. I do think there is a happy medium where we are not excluding kids (although there are some who I think will benefit from a separate placement) from their peers, but also making sure that students with severe behavioral needs are getting the support they need.

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fakecrimesleep t1_j19rz2s wrote

Did you forget about the million+ people that died? Little Johnny can go to therapy for his anger issues. But you can’t bring back the dead

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_j18e5lq wrote

If its anything like my experience going to school in dorchester, its a neighborhood thing. Kids from Neighborhood A fight kids from Neighborhood B, fight kids from Neighborhood C, etc.

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