Submitted by Omphaloskeptique t3_zzhbwy in boston
BostonFoliage t1_j2e6xzt wrote
Reply to comment by dpm25 in New Orange Line subway cars pulled from service over safety concerns by Omphaloskeptique
Why are we buying infrastructure from Chinese government anyways? For the amount of money and trouble it created, we could have built them in house.
ppomeroy t1_j2eicsw wrote
Multiple reasons. First the "Buy America Act" requires that a percentage of assembly be done in the USA to preserve jobs here. Massachusetts added to that making it a part of the contract that the assembly needed to be done in this state. This meant that the rail company needed to build a manufacturing facility for rail cars, which would be rather large, within the state.
The second reason is that the state, by law, is required to accept the lowest bid for any contractor that checks all of the boxes in the contract proposal. In this case, CRRC came in well-below any other rail manufacturer and also promised to build a facility here to get a foothold on rail manufacturing in the USA.
Some of these laws are there to protect the state's funding and assure it is spent well, and also to preserve jobs. On paper this looks great but has not always worked.
For example the current "new" fleet of MBTA locomotives was bid by a well-established European company as well as Motive Power in the mid-west. The MBTA preferred the European company but it was a little more than what MP bid. MP sued under the "Buy America Act" and as the low bidder so the MBTA was forced to buy from them. Those new locomotives are now being cycled out of service for work at a regular rate to fix something broken or worn. As a result of that the MBTA had to pull a handful of older locomotives that had been mothballed, get them rebuilt, and pressed into service.
So it is not always the MBTA's choice. The various labor laws and laws that control cost and bidding often tie their hands.
TheTr7nity t1_j2fbay8 wrote
Like the old saying goes, “you get what you pay for”.
snoogins355 t1_j2ec1lx wrote
Because we don't make trains in America anymore, we make war machines. And those cost billions and billions. I wish we did make trains, fast, efficient, and reliable ones! But we fucked up and you have roads that get destroyed every year and bridges hit by idiot truck drivers
dpm25 t1_j2e7o03 wrote
Because they were the only company willing to build here in Massachusetts.
We should not have built them domestically, to appease western ma, we should have purchased them from Europe.
The sad part is it's not like the factory is going to remain open after the mbta gets there trains. There is hardly any demand for these trains in the US.
hotaspee t1_j2eb9fy wrote
look I’m the biggest critic of this contract you’ll ever find, but LA Metro and (if memory serves) SEPTA both have orders with CRRC. Richie Neal even got them some sort of special dispensation so that they’d qualify for “buy american” status during the trump admin. they’re probably not going to shut down anytime soon.
Doctrina_Stabilitas t1_j2ej3cx wrote
that's because all the labor is American and basically everything except the shell is American
door issues? American. Brake issues? American. Axel issues? American. Has a frame broken? well the one Chinese part is fine I guess
hotaspee t1_j2enm48 wrote
I hate this country too. Down with the capitalist pigdogs!
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