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arch_llama t1_j10o3lv wrote

The post has a link to a go fund me with a goal of $70k for the business. I've seen a few businesses do this after someone drives through them. Why would the business need that? Wouldn't they have insurance to cover something like this? Or is it stupid to assume they have insurance at all?

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h2g2Ben t1_j10qu8r wrote

Businesses would usually carry insurance for physical damage to the property they rent. So this would cover losses of the fixtures and physical things inside: chairs, tables, inventory.

You'd need separate insurance for what's called business interruption. It's not something most places buy for a lot of reasons. And even that wouldn't cover the cost of relocating, paying staff while they can't work, etc.

The damage to the building itself would fall under the insurance of the owners of the building, not the businesses renting. (Though the building is owned by two of the resident businesses.)

Basically, there are a lot of knock-on effects from an event like this. Some businesses need to relocate, some are just closed indefinitely. Even if some insurance is available for the owners of the businesses, it's rarely carried, and wouldn't protect the staff of those businesses.

(And I want to note that business interruption insurance usually has a very narrow scope, and doesn't include things like pandemics, which was the most recent time when the few folks who had business interruption insurance got royally screwed by insurance companies.

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dghah t1_j117fa8 wrote

Insurance is for the business owners and property owner

It does not, for instance cover the employees, especially the barber and salon employees who now have no income and no place to work any more (barring the awesome nearby salons that offered chairs to affected workers ..)

Basically there are a ton of people who are gonna have a shitty time

And the organiser of the GoFundMe is legit and well known in Roslindale. I've hired his law firm before to negotiate a partnership agreement. He's solid and well invested in the local community

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Ordie100 t1_j10q762 wrote

Insurance will cover a lot (and is usually mandatory) but there's a gap between when this kind of thing happens and when insurance pays out. Things like salaries and bills keep coming and there's no income. Sure perhaps a healthy business would have an emergency fund to cover that stopgap but let's be real most local businesses operate pretty month to month in terms of finances. (Also this GoFundMe wasn't even set up by the businesses, I never understand how these things get so many donations because there's nothing stopping the organizer from just pocketing that money)

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Steltek OP t1_j13ru1z wrote

I'm gonna go with projection. llama seems to be lashing out randomly at strangers. Probably spending the holidays alone with no friends. It's common to be depressed this time of year.

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DumbshitOnTheRight t1_j10qcf7 wrote

Insurance typically covers the loss of products, building, and equipment, but AFAIK doesn't cover profit losses from being unable to reopen.

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Steltek OP t1_j10qcyu wrote

A few guesses:

  • Money is money

  • Insurance can be a slow process

  • Filing insurance claims can be very tricky and you may not get full value for what you've lost

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ppomeroy t1_j14l98z wrote

Insurance is compartmentalized. While the structure owner may have some insurance on the structure, those leasing space likely did not. They may have some general liability coverage for their business and possibly some fire insurance. In general as lease holders they might only have the equivalent of renter's insurance like some apartment dwellers may contract. They likely may also have coverage under their liability policy for loss of income but that can be limited to certain specific conditions to be met.

Insurance companies rarely do not pay out full amounts of coverage and claims can take as much as a year or more to be processed. Like the rest of the world, their companies are also backlogged and short handed.

A friend of mine lost their business due to building damages to years ago and they had to vacate. They only received a fraction of what their loss was for damaged and no longer usable furniture and supplies. Similarly loss of income which was also in the policy only paid out a meager sum, and it took over a year for the claim to be processed. I'd also note that this was also a situation of no challenge to the insurance company's pay out. Had that happened the claim would have been recycled back to square one and a new and full recalculation would take place. The claim could have carried on for years.

Near me a home owner had a fire and his coverage was less than what current damages are rated at. When most of these policies were written it was before current inflation and replacement or repair costs. The building remains vacant and the fire happened over 6 months ago. The claim is still being processed. Sad to say, this is now the norm. We expect the boarded up structure to be in that condition for at least 6 more months if not more while the haggling continues.

My own property insurance was increased by over $350 for the coming year whereas in the past we only saw a few dollars per year increase over a 5 year period. That is quite a jump and other property owners are seeing as much if not more with their annual premiums. If you do maintain renter's insurance expect a big increase when you renew.

So the GoFundMe is seeking to span the gap and the time lag. At this point, no one is making any money to exist. Hopefully some will have savings or other fallback position.

And the host of the GoFundMe is a well-established attorney in that community.

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dghah t1_j117zjm wrote

Universal Hub is a micro-local niche website run by a single person who gets by on a few ads and a set of patreon subscribers.

And you are bitching about lack of in-depth reporting?

A ton of posts on that site come from readers who send in pictures and "news" -- I've done that on more than a few occasions. It's a community-driven platform.

Reset your expectations.

And then go fuck yourself.

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Steltek OP t1_j10r8gi wrote

While light on details, it highlights that the damage was even worse than I had previously thought. An economy sedan has destroyed an entire store.

And of course it was all "an accident" so the driver won't be charged. Public justice will be outsourced to insurance companies to arbitrate how much damage this incompetent driver did.

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vhalros t1_j11rrtm wrote

Realistically we should also look at wtf is wrong with the road that this sort of thing can happen so easily.

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Dontleave t1_j140dkb wrote

Honestly this is one of the better roads to prevent this, there is a sharp turn just before this intersection which forces people to slow down. Unfortunately that comes right after a slightly downhill straightaway so some hot shots do whip around the corner but for the most part it’s not too bad.

Any major changes to the road would likely make traffic much worse.

There is some thought that making Corinth St pedestrian only and making the rest of Belgrade Ave and South St a 2 way vs a 1 way would be beneficial to pedestrians but I’m not sure how it would play out traffic wise

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vhalros t1_j147khe wrote

Would you really call the turn from Belgrade to Corinth "sharp"? It looks quite gentle to me.

I don't think you'd need major changes; I can think of some minor ones. Narrow down that turn, with a truck apron of if that is problematic for trucks. Harden up the center line on Corinth street near the tip of that tringle to force slower turns. Raise the crossings in those slip turns.

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arch_llama t1_j10xzqk wrote

>"an accident"

Is there any reason to believe it wasn't an accident?

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Steltek OP t1_j11gt6j wrote

No but car related tragedies are dismissed like they're acts of God so there's no need for further introspection or action. People driving cars should be held responsible for their carelessness. Not everyone deserves a license. Not everyone deserves to find free, easy parking and cheap gas.

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arch_llama t1_j1284ch wrote

Oh ok. So what you are saying is you have no idea about the circumstances that led to this crash but you're upset about other unrelated incidents that had outcomes you didn't like and jumped at the opportunity to use a blog post about a brick building being reframed in wood as a jumping off point to pessimistically groan about it into the void you created with your otherwise unsuccessful reddit post?

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