wsdog t1_ixg4rvl wrote
Reply to comment by fauxpublica in The 17 victims of the Hingham Apple Store crash might have to share a $40,000 insurance payout. by il_biciclista
They look ugly as hell. This incident is a tragedy, but a very rare tragedy to spoil any sort of architecture everywhere.
alohadave t1_ixhhsq1 wrote
Oh, well if they are ugly, then that's okay. Fuck people, we need pretty hardscaping at shopping malls.
wsdog t1_ixhj4j3 wrote
You cannot place ballards everywhere a car can hit a person, c'mon.
alohadave t1_ixhjd2q wrote
You can put them in front of fucking plate glass storefronts in a parking lot.
wsdog t1_ixhl6q1 wrote
You really think a car can hit somebody ONLY at a glass storefront. No other location is actually possible.
Why not put bollards everywhere in front of every single structure?
alohadave t1_ixhm88c wrote
Jesus, are you really willing to die on this hill?
You are the only one complaining about putting bollards everywhere. In this case, in a shopping mall, bollards are appropriate, and would have saved life and limb, literally.
wsdog t1_ixhmirj wrote
No, alright you're good, I agree. Spend money on bollards instead of checking drivers who can induce harm. Maybe it's a better solution.
techiemikey t1_ixhtloz wrote
This is a case of "you can only control what you are capable of controling". The property owners could have placed ballards for protection (and even done something like planters to prevent it from being ugly). The business could choose something other than a glass front, as they are allowed to make changes.
What could they have done about drivers specifically? The only people who could have is the government, who can't place the ballards.
il_biciclista OP t1_ixgsnjq wrote
There's nothing rare about people being killed by cars. It happens every day in this country.
dante50 t1_ixhnrw1 wrote
Yes, the classic “architecture” of an outdoor mall where an Apple Store is wedged between a Barnes & Noble an Anthropologie. I mean, famous landmarks across the globe deploy bollards for safety, but let’s not spoil ‘Merica’s suburban parking lot malls!
wsdog t1_ixho9gz wrote
Very true, cannot agree more. Museums cover paintings with glass because of a couple of idiots with glue and soup.
A tiny fraction of idiots always ruin the lives of everybody else. My point that the idiots should be targeted, not everyone else.
And Apple stores have decent architecture.
BillMurraysTesticle t1_ixhk7x4 wrote
Imagine being AGAINST bollards but FOR 17 people being injured in a preventable accident.
wsdog t1_ixhkk57 wrote
You cannot go back in time and install bollards at this particular location preventing this particular incident. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
BillMurraysTesticle t1_ixhkx37 wrote
Nice strawman. That's not even close to what my comment was getting at. I'm saying that you're valuing "pretty architecture" over public health and that's ridiculous.
wsdog t1_ixhle0w wrote
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that bollards do nothing good and do harm. As any other security theater does.
techiemikey t1_ixhttfl wrote
Bollards aren't security theater. They provide safety. And the "harm" you proposed is "they don't look pretty"
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