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MaichenM t1_j29s3fr wrote

I think that it's interesting how our readings of the book vary, since it is such an obtuse story, especially for science fiction.

I think what you're missing is how deeply Catholic the view of the world in the novel is is. Excuse me because it's been a while since I've read it, but there is salvation in the book. It's in the very subtle depictions of the Sainted immortal man who appears (implied to be Leibowitz) and in the idea of ascending beyond this world. The world itself, however, is deeply influenced by the Original Sin of mankind, and the pursuit of making the world a good place to live is ultimately hopeless. The monks do right by god but ultimately fail, and their only hope for reward is in heaven. Because the book does not confirm that heaven exists, it becomes a deeply depressing read for people who are not religious, and a story of endless striving and ultimate rapture for those who are. It's a strange and genius way to cause the reader to reflect on their own beliefs.

I think my reading is accurate because the questions of faith are brought up in the book itself in the arguments between the atheist and religious character in one of the generations (that's what I've taken to calling the different parts, lol). I would say the assertion of the book is simply: "This is what humanity's history is. Decide for yourself whether it is meaningless."

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Redjay12 OP t1_j2a2v0u wrote

that’s a really interesting point I hadn’t considered. I am atheist raised catholic and i found it super depressing but i can see how a religious person might feel comforted that the monks devotion gets them to heaven

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MaichenM t1_j2a3ty0 wrote

Yeah, though I think it's still very bleak no matter what your religious views are. "The world is so hopeless that only heaven offers salvation" is probably the edgiest message in theological discourse.

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Redjay12 OP t1_j2a4r87 wrote

I think the edgiest one is that in The Sparrow.“Not but a sparrow falls that god does not know of it. but the sparrow still falls.” the author comes up with the most depressing story imaginable and uses that depressing fictional story to question gods existence. Most people love that book though, I really looked forward to reading it

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