OverthinkingMadMan t1_j1qikm4 wrote
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Glad to know that you condone slavery and that your morals, or ethics if you want, is better than then that of God and the bible.
If you believe that you need God for there to be morals, then you can call the behavior ethics if you want. The fact that you think acting decently comes from Christ, then it will come to a shock to you that many of our morals are shared with people that are not from western countries. Buddhism for example. You might need God to watch over you and the fear of hell to act morally, but I, and many others (different religions and without religion) do not need it. I deny any God, or person, that threatens to get love, that has stoning for homosexuality, tells women to be inferior to men and who doesn't condone slavery. You are free to say that since I lack God, you won't call it morality. Well, I still say that things in the bible are looked upon as, if not immoral, then let us use words like evil. If there cannot be evil without God, well then it is unjust, cruel, untrue and vile.
Since the secular countries are the happiest and with the least crime, then the shunning of morals seems to make us better people, care more for those around us, take better care of the planet and act as what Christians call better people. Then it might seems that shunning morals is what is best for society and the planet at large.
throwhand1 t1_j1ql20e wrote
You are welcome to your opinions and secular mindset. However, I think it's a terrible travesty that people are shunning Jesus Christ in exchange for plastic, materialism, and hedonism. Unfortunately, there will be more crime, since everything is permissible under the sun when people don't submit to God. In the coming decades, you will see that the Secularization Theory is failing and isn't working out as atheists have predicted. We both have said our fill and I am done here. Please have a nice day and stay safe.
OverthinkingMadMan t1_j1qo9ej wrote
There will be more crime? When? The trend is that there is less crime the more secular a country is. Everything statistics shows us the opposite and your whole argument is "it won't last"? Secularism has given us the democracy we have today. Kings were chosen by God. The US is a great example, since they strived to keep God and Government seperate.
We have so far seen that religious countries give rise to dictatorships. The peace we have had the last 80 years and the spread of democracy is because of secular beliefs.
It might be that countries that are more atheistic will be worse in 30 years. That just proves that neither religion or secularism works. As it stands, secularism is the better choice and has given us a more peaceful society.
throwhand1 t1_j1qp9v4 wrote
Hmm... crime and religion are somehow correlated? I think that's yet to be determined, but who knows. Anyway, you do you. Thanks for your time.
OverthinkingMadMan t1_j1qqjz1 wrote
You just said that crime would go up because of atheism and now you are debunking your own claims?
I was showing you that YOUR claim isn't valid, since what we actually do see is the opposite, and now you say that they aren't correlated.
Since there isn't a correlation and most people would say that most laws are morally good, then that means that your claim about atheist not being moral also comes into question.
That is some massive backpeddling.
throwhand1 t1_j1qr0ig wrote
lol! Honestly, I think your information about crime and religion being correlated has too many variables and is yet to be determined. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it's probable, but I don't know if it's 100% correct. That's all I will say about the issue. Thanks.
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