Alternative_Effort t1_j27m977 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 5:38 AM

Reply to comment by 2012Aceman in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand by gothiclg

>Ayn Rand was a confident, independent, sexually liberated atheist woman

Those are all traits from her Soviet upbringing.. They had sexual liberation and gender equality before American women could even vote.

Rand and her fetish for being raped by a fascist might count as a form of liberation, I suppose, but its a far cry from truly sexually liberated.

If Rand pioneered anything, it was probably her nonbinaryness. She rejected identification as a woman, preferring to be denoted man because she associated the term with strength. Its easy to imagine Rand prefering he/him in the world of today.

2012Aceman t1_j28brt6 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:56 AM

When you say “raped by a fascist” I’m gonna need to hear, in your opinion, who that fascist was. When did Ayn Rand go pro-authoritarian government? When did Ayn Rand reject individual rights for collective benefit?

Alternative_Effort t1_j28emj0 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:33 AM

Her works are replete with authoritarian strongmen who "take" women who want to be "taken". She obviously wasn't a fan of European or Soviet strongmen -- she got off on American wealth-o-supremacists

2012Aceman t1_j28glde wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:57 AM

Was Henry Reardon a person who “took women?” Was John Galt? Howard Roark “took” Dominique, but it was clear she wished to participate, and I won’t have you kinkshaming what turns out to be a popular sexual fantasy with women.

And do those men “take” like the government, or do they “deal” like businesspeople?

Alternative_Effort t1_j2azba5 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 10:40 PM

>I won’t have you kinkshaming

That's an excellent statement, and if Rand were just a novelist we could leave it at that. But she became a political inspiration, so we have to talk about her hybristophilia, much as we have to talk about King Edward's kinks because they led him to fall under the spell of Nazism.

Rand worships her own version of the Ubermensch; Guido von List and the Hiterlites had the Aryans, L. Ron Hubbard had his Clear, and Rand believes the world belongs to her "Real Man" robber-barons who are inherently superior to the rest of us.