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Leroyboy152 t1_ix7rrr4 wrote

When it comes to science fiction, I prefer the Dune series, followed by Tolkien.

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Saxon2060 OP t1_ix7sb64 wrote

The funny thing is I'm pretty sure both of these things riff very heavily on theology...

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zorionek0 t1_ix7uish wrote

Especially Dune, with the OC Bible and the Missionaria Protectiva

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Leroyboy152 t1_iy2von1 wrote

Exactly, sci-fi

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Saxon2060 OP t1_iy2yrhn wrote

I think you mean fantasy but okay.

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Leroyboy152 t1_iy3kvzo wrote

No, sci-fi, but if you believe any of it, you're either part of the Ponzi scheme or fucking crazy

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Saxon2060 OP t1_iy3mjs1 wrote

Calm down, bud. I've always been an atheist and a vehement secularist but I've learned nobody likes atheists screeching about it. Discourse about whether religion has a place in public life (I believe it doesn't) and whether you should inflict your religion on anybody including your own kids (I believe you shouldn't) are important, but what any individual believes isn't important or interesting. You don't make any friends by saying that people's religious beliefs are fantasy. They believe that they're not and the rest of us think that they are.

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Leroyboy152 t1_iy3ul0f wrote

Ah, a theist believes in a diety an antitheist believes in the opposite of a deity, both are fucking crazy. I'm agnostic, I believe in science not fucking crazy. Yes, I know, agnostic is mislabeled, as is antitheist-atheist, things change... But, I won't identify as a antitheist-atheist, a devil worshipper, get my point? Sorry if I offend you, but religion has always been a Ponzi scheme, and today it's getting worse, not trying to mix in politics but, look at what's happening in just the US because of religion. Weaponizing crazy.

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Saxon2060 OP t1_iy3w289 wrote

Atheist is a convenient term. I said in my initial post that I'm more accurately an obligate agnostic (we can't "know") and also aspiritual (I have no spiritual beliefs of any sort) and an apatheist (the question of whatever the supernatural exists is of no consequence to me and I don't care.)

Also, to add to the mix I'm a scientist. Professionally. By training and as a career. You're getting riled up at the wrong guy and it's fruitless getting riled up the way you are anyway. Definitely rail against religion in public life, in politics, its place in society, that's healthy and constructive discourse. The rise of religious "ethics" in national and international politics is worrying. I just mean that commenting on reddit threads talking about the bible and its place in literary cannon with scathing comments about how religious people are deluded? Okay, I 100% agree with you from a personal perspective, but it's no good for your blood pressure and not helping anyone. I still hold all the same opinions as I did in my "edgy anti-religion" phase, I just realised nobody cares what I think about what they personally believe, and nor should they.

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Leroyboy152 t1_iy419db wrote

Touche, Err, I'm not at all riled up, I just think letting religion dictate reality is as crazy as religion. All's well that ends well.

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