farseer4 t1_jee4g8d wrote
Reply to comment by TheSSChallenger in Why do some books/authors get away with "purple prose" by [deleted]
> If people have to slow down, back up, and read through several times
Ok, but what "people"? Because what's very difficult for a reader may not be difficult at all for a different reader.
TheSSChallenger t1_jeeelb5 wrote
Sure, a certain author's writing can be too difficult for some readers.
But that's why we have the concept of reading levels, which measures an individual's ability to handle complex writing.
But reading skill is kind of weird because the speed and ease with which we read is very much determined by our ability to recognize patterns--a good reader doesn't even have to look at every word in a sentence before their brain has picked out the important words and anticipated what is being said based on comprehension and convention. That's why, for example, we don't even notice most small typos.
So, if a writer's prose doesn't follow language conventions--if their sentence structure is weird or they go way too heavy on the euphemisms--then even a very skilled reader is going to have to grind to a halt and start unpacking each sentence piece-by piece, which is exactly what you don't want good readers to have to do.
Of course there is also variation in language convention. It's going to be easier to read a Regency-era novel if you're familiar with how English was spoken in the Regency Era... but those are still conventions, which a skilled reader can learn and adapt to.
Whereas "purple prose" (this term showed up in dictionaries in 1598, by the way) doesn't quite follow any particular linguistic population's language conventions--it's just that author ignoring the rules and writing whatever sounds good to them.
Sumtimesagr8notion t1_jeegd85 wrote
Idk I enjoy prose like that. If I have to slow down a little and really focus, it's usually an enjoyable book. Nabokov, McCarthy, Pynchon, Joyce, all fantastic authors.
Griffen_07 t1_jef0qdx wrote
Yes but that also goes back to intent. There is a fashion in certain literary circles to make it so a work has to be picked apart and footnoted to make sense. This is stuff like Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake that are not made to be enjoyed. However, when you get to non-standard form and style while trying to be a book sold for entertainment that it is purple.
Sumtimesagr8notion t1_jef1gg1 wrote
Ulysses is made to be enjoyed lol. I get what you're trying to say though. I've just never came across a book that I didn't enjoy because the prose was too complicated.
Where do you draw the line between books that are for standard entertainment and books that aren't? Should all genre fiction be written as plain as possible?
Griffen_07 t1_jef492x wrote
I think it goes back to the intent of the author. If the book matches the niche the author is aiming at then it is fine. Commercial fiction should include the full range of expression from simple to complex. The lines are different for an author that is deliberately aiming for a non-commercial thing.
Readers will self-sort to the kind of books they like.
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