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islander1 t1_j16fls5 wrote

I mean, it's incredibly sad that these are largely juvies. If these were older adults I'd just be angry.

American dystopia.

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iforgottolaughlol t1_j16t88n wrote

When a person is a juvenile, they still know that these crimes are wrong. There's no excuse.

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Thanatosst t1_j16uy4p wrote

They also know that there's little to no consequences due to their age.

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islander1 t1_j16zicv wrote

and they also are doing it because they have no other practical choices in life.

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TheSpektrModule t1_j1723ac wrote

Total BS. Nobody is being forced to commit carjackings.

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islander1 t1_j174mtp wrote

I'm not justifying it, they should all be punished/rehabbed; but these kids are doing it because they are born into a life with no future.

When I hear people say "no one is forced into it" I hear someone who hasn't got a fucking clue what a hard life is actually like.

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bookoocash t1_j184f1b wrote

Yeah but there is also the simple fact that the kids doing this make up a very small portion of kids in this city who come from virtually identical circumstances, the overwhelming majority of which choose not to victimize other people. This is absolutely a choice and they could have gone another way.

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Thanatosst t1_j17cf18 wrote

I'm fully aware of the correlation/causation of poverty and crime/violent crime. That isn't going to ever be fixed except by drastic, sweeping reforms of the way the country operates. Until then, it's basically a free-for-all where you can't depend on anyone else to protect you, physically or financially.

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Mildred_RatchedRN t1_j191vhe wrote

Most poor people actually don't become criminals.

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islander1 t1_j192la8 wrote

even less people become criminals when they don't have to worry where their next meal is coming from, or when they are able to have a home, transportation, and an actual job option.

The fucking entitlement in this thread is amazing, and the sad part is - 10 years ago I'd think example the same as you lot.

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Mildred_RatchedRN t1_j193l9e wrote

Poverty is a reasonable justification for many things, but it never just makes someone a rapist or murderer. Frankly, you're coming off like someone without any personal experience with poverty

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islander1 t1_j194iau wrote

  1. I never justified poverty for murder or rape. See previous posts.

  2. true poverty? No. I grew up in a household where my father went bankrupt 3 times. We had to cheat on taxes for years to keep bills paid, and eventually got audited/in trouble. Bills such as power barely got paid. We ate, but not well. I had it great compared to people in the inner city.

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Mildred_RatchedRN t1_j1956y8 wrote

Perhaps you just don't know what you're talking about. I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you. You obviously have an ideological agenda, and good luck with that.

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islander1 t1_j196ivc wrote

or perhaps you're just mis-interpreting the message I'm attempting to get across. Have a good one.

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Dylan552 t1_j18ld0z wrote

Well and I think it depends a lot on the crime, if a kid is stealing a package or vandalizing something I can see the argument that yea they may know better but it could be seen fairly harmless in their minds.

But when you are out car jacking people, robbing them etc there’s no excuse

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LunarLorkhan t1_j18vvmt wrote

Technically they don’t. It’s proven that the parts of their brains that understand long term consequences and control impulse are underdeveloped. Hence why the drinking age is 21 and the U.S. military likes to recruit kids.

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TheSpektrModule t1_j1721uv wrote

I'm still angry.

I knew damned well that carjacking was not ok when I was a teenager.

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islander1 t1_j174szh wrote

and you grew up completely impoverished in a dangerous ghetto, right?

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troublewthetrolleyeh t1_j18g02v wrote

Look, a lot of people grew up in Baltimore City and didn’t carjack and rape women in their teens. I’m all for extending sympathy to people committing crimes to survive but what part of rape benefits a young perpetrator? They didn’t have to do that.

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islander1 t1_j18tz13 wrote

Oh, totally agree with anything past the carjacking/robbery.

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bmore t1_j18jwnn wrote

Over here thinking children make rational, logic based decisions

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troublewthetrolleyeh t1_j18khzr wrote

We are not normalizing teenagers raping adults.

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islander1 t1_j18u1nh wrote

No, we aren't. I was referring to the carjacking itself and/or robbery.

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There's never an excuse for rape.

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bmore t1_j18ljoo wrote

Nobody is normalizing this shit. It's terrible. But you brought a cost benefit analysis into it with your comment, and we know through the science of brain development kids can't make decisions in the same way adults can. It's frankly why youth crime is so terrifying, because it's so unpredictable.

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holden118 t1_j18q7g7 wrote

You clearly dont understand that the kids now and days dont give a shit. Look at Milford Mill high school for a perfect example. Id argue that 90% of that school should fail every semester but they dont fail them because it looks bad when a title 1 school that is 98% aferican american fails almost all their kids. They have produced one Ivy league student in the last 10 years. Most of that school doestn go to college and the ones that do come back and always say that Milford did nothing to prepare them for college. These kids dont have accountability in school, they dont learn anything. My gf has been threatened by students parents because their little shit is failing school because their kid refuses to do anything.

Blaming brain development is just a excuse. My 11 and 7 year old kids know not to steal cars and rape people. Thats not going to change with they become 17. Its not a brain thing, its a how they were raised thing. You just dont want to admit for whatever reason.

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islander1 t1_j18uau2 wrote

>Blaming brain development is just a excuse. My 11 and 7 year old kids know not to steal cars and rape people. Thats not going to change with they become 17. Its not a brain thing, its a how they were raised thing

Were they raised in an environment where parents were around to show them love and affection?

Were they raised in a relatively stable household with food, clothing, and electricity/shelter?

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holden118 t1_j19cq48 wrote

Once again more excuses. Just because you weren't raised right doesn't give you a free pass to whatever you want. Just because you might have had a hard time in life doesn't give you the permission to rob people. I was bullied every day in school since 4th grade. I don't take my shitty experience and use it as an excuse to rob/rape people.

Those kids know what they are doing, they should be tried as adults and live in a cell for a few years. Its the same reason we charge kids as adults when they murder someone. Kids aren't stupid and using those excuses just gives them an easy out.

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islander1 t1_j19d9rj wrote

Oh yeah, being bullied is exactly the same as being poor, parentless, living in a home without electricity or money.

Fuck sake.

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holden118 t1_j1ad4sp wrote

And yet none of those things are excuses for being a pos that steals cars and robs people of their hard earned money.

fuck sake

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islander1 t1_j1aeqo0 wrote

Just one of many clueless takes in this thread.

My point is understanding the why behind these, for once.

If these kids had an actual opportunity to 'earn money' the vast majority would.

Until these problems are reconciled, it's going to get worse - not better.

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bmore t1_j19fq2b wrote

Evidence definitively proves you wrong. I'm not sharing opinions, I'm sharing facts based on extensive peer reviewed research. You are simply wrong. It's basically like you're calling the world flat.

It's extra disappointing because what you're calling for (charging and incarcerating youth as adults) is proven to cause higher rates of recidivism, which is exactly opposite the end goal.

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TheSpektrModule t1_j1sj1vx wrote

I was absolutely capable of understanding basic morality as a child.

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Redditanother t1_j18253i wrote

It’s not surprising. Only kids are stupid or crazy enough to do this. Adults have more common sense than racking up kidnapping charges.

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enforce1 t1_j16tz55 wrote

This is not an America specific thing. This is a Baltimore thing.

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completethesestreets t1_j16vxxg wrote

https://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/Juvenile-Carjackings-Article-FINAL.pdf

You're wrong, it is a national problem.

> In Minneapolis, for example, there were 405 carjackings last year — more than triple the number in 2019. The suspects arrested were often juveniles between the ages of 11 and 17. Other cities saw significant increases too, including New Orleans, LA, Kansas City, MO, Louisville, KY and Washington, D.C. In Chicago, there were 1,400 carjackings in 2020, with juveniles involved in nearly half of them. Chicago police say there have been 370 carjackings in the city of Chicago in the first two and a half months of 2021.

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maudlinmary t1_j172ly4 wrote

This gives me the willies for some reason. Kids are just so erratic and unpredictable, it’s so hard to gauge. You can sort of plan on what kinds of risks an informed adult will take, and plan accordingly, but teenagers are pure chaos. I used to drive for Uber in Baltimore, I’m sure glad I don’t now.

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enforce1 t1_j1bh1yl wrote

This may shock you, but no, it isn’t an American problem, it’s a city problem. I didn’t say “cities have this problem” because it didn’t make sense in context. Thousands of square miles in the US are “leave keys in the ignition” country.

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DfcukinLite t1_j17ozih wrote

It amazes how people so confidently believe everything that happens in Baltimore exclusively happens in Baltimore on this sub. How naive.

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screechingsparrakeet t1_j19l5d6 wrote

It's disingenuous to pretend that Baltimore isn't uniquely dangerous compared to many other American cities, however, or that it doesn't consistently make that rating. There are precautions that I have to take in nicer parts of Baltimore that I never had to take in the nicer parts of Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte, D.C., New York, or San Antonio.

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DfcukinLite t1_j19lw4l wrote

Lol nobody said any of that. Nothing that happens in Baltimore doesn’t happen anywhere else.

If you dumped 2000k more people in Baltimore right now all of a sudden those statistics on crime look better and better.

There’s certainly places I wouldn’t go in DC, ATL, etc. and I never want to go anywhere in TX.

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MD_Weedman t1_j19evee wrote

Lots of irrational self-confidence on Reddit. Fortunately it often gets called out.

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enforce1 t1_j1bh4dr wrote

“Cities”. Most of the country, hell, most of Maryland, do not face the issues baltimore does.

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