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bmoreboy410 t1_ixsyhda wrote

I don’t care if it was referring to Baltimore. Fuck the national anthem.

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hoi4kaiserreichfanbo t1_ixszwjs wrote

Besides being awful to sing it’s a fine national anthem, why don’t you like it?

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thatgeekinit t1_ixt897o wrote

Possible criticism: The song is pretty martial for an anthem sung at international sporting events. Though it is pretty similar to the Polish and Ukrainian anthems in that way. A lot of anthems are based on 19th century nationalistic poems with similar themes.

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bmoreboy410 t1_ixt978u wrote

It has racist lyrics threatening slaves so I can’t support it.

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logaboga t1_ixta7mu wrote

It doesn’t at all?

Oh, say, can you see By the dawn's early light What so proudly we hail'd At the twilight's last gleaming? Whose broad stripes and bright stars Through the perilous fight O'er the ramparts we watch'd Were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare The bombs bursting in air Gave proof through the night That our flag was still there O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free And the home of the brave?

Where are the lines threatening slaves?

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bmoreboy410 t1_ixtc49c wrote

That is just the first of four verses.

From the third verse:

No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave

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logaboga t1_ixvipjd wrote

Maybe that’s why it’s not included lol, no rendition of that song includes the full verses

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judeiscariot t1_ixugfni wrote

It pays to read up to see that the whole thing is much longer and reaaaaally fucking awful.

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wbruce098 t1_ixvcekj wrote

Maybe there’s a reason we don’t sing those verses anymore. We also don’t count slaves as 3/5 of a person for the census anymore. Made mistakes, fixed some of them. I guess that’s progress.

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brouhaha13 t1_ixszum2 wrote

What are your qualms? I think it's just fine, but I didn't know people had such strong opinions.

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Original_Intention t1_ixtb9kp wrote

Apparently there is a verse that promotes slavery. I hadn't heard of it until I just googled it now. I'm assuming that is what the commenter is alluding to?

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bmoreboy410 t1_ixt97rq wrote

It has racist lyrics threatening slaves so I can’t support it.

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Angdrambor t1_ixzky8h wrote

What song would you prefer to support as a national anthem?

Or are you only capable of negative opinions?

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brouhaha13 t1_ixta7u6 wrote

I don't disbelieve you, but can you explain which lyrics?

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bmoreboy410 t1_ixtcah8 wrote

From the third verse:

No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave

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brouhaha13 t1_ixtjm9b wrote

So not the anthem. The poem?

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tansreer t1_ixuba7y wrote

You're trying to split hairs. Where are you finding that distinction encoded into the law that declares the Star Spangled Banner the anthem?

I don't see anything that says "just the first verse, we don't like the verse about killing runaway slaves that joined the British so they could be free."

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bmore t1_ixun762 wrote

The verse is not wrong in a retconned sense that Black Loyalists were doomed, for the British/Canadians were happy to abandon them in corners of Nova Scotia to starve and fend off racist whites, but yes the verse is bad and while I enjoy this country's anthem I do wish we'd formally codify it as the first part alone.

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bmoreboy410 t1_ixuq8x2 wrote

Its not even about whether it was true or not. But I think that you are wrong.

The final provocation was that men who escaped their bonds of slavery were welcome to join the British Corps of Colonial Marines in exchange for land after their service. As many as 4,000 people, mostly from Virginia and Maryland, escaped.

Whether manipulation or not, the British kept their word to Colonial Marines after the war, refusing the United States’ demand that they be returned and providing them land in Trinidad and Tobago to resettle with their families. Their descendants, called “Merikins,” still live there today.

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bmore t1_ixurgye wrote

I guess this is splitting hairs a bit too, fair. They definitely did a bit better on round 2 vs the 1770s resettlements I was referencing.

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