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Typical-Radish4317 t1_je0904g wrote

Reply to comment by app_priori in How much Money would it take to Renovate ALL Vacant Homes in Baltimore? 🤔 by ayhme

Crime is directly tied to material condition. You can't "solve" crime when a quarter of your tax base lives in poverty. You either have to fix the reasons that they are poor or push poor people out of the city. Baltimore isn't attractive enough to push poor people out of the city. This idea would go towards improving the material conditions of it's residents so lol good luck getting that approved.

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ScootyHoofdorp t1_je0h13t wrote

It's not that simple, and it never has been.

NYC - Poverty level: 18%, Violent crime rate: 256

El Paso - Poverty level: 19.1%, Violent crime rate: 296.5

Baton Rouge - Poverty level: 24.4%, Violent crime rate: 291.4

Baltimore - Poverty level: 20.3%, Violent crime rate: 497.9

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Typical-Radish4317 t1_je0i4er wrote

Look at where the crime is happening and what the income levels are in those areas..it really is that simple.

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ScootyHoofdorp t1_je0xzwz wrote

It's not, and I just gave you the data to prove it.

Obviously poverty is a factor, but it is far from the only one, as you suggest. There must be a reason that Baton Rouge has more poverty and less crime. There must be a reason San Diego has below average poverty, but above average violent crime rates. It is unavoidable that there are regional, historical, cultural, and other factors at play here. Refusing to address any of those while we wait for this country's economic system to magically become more fair is to permit more unnecessary slaughter.

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Typical-Radish4317 t1_je0z44m wrote

But you didn't. You are generalizing statistics for a whole city. If you look at Baltimores affluent areas you'd be like wow Baltimore is a pretty safe city. If you look at west and east Baltimore you be like holy smokes this place is a war zone. The difference being those who live in abject poverty vs high income earners.

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ScootyHoofdorp t1_je1amar wrote

Wow, ok. I don't think you understand how statistics work.

Explain to me why Baton Rouge, which has higher poverty than Baltimore proportionally, has lower crime that Baltimore proportionally. Baton Rouge has more poverty, so by your logic, more areas of the city have low income, so there should be more crime. But, in fact, there's 40+% LESS crime! Make that make sense...

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Typical-Radish4317 t1_je1ca0c wrote

Which area in NYC compares to Sandtown/ Winchester? You're saying poverty levels are the same. but lol you are using baton rouge as a talking point when baton rouge is incredibly violent. I'm not sure where you pulled your statistics from. But tell me why you think Baltimore has such high violent crime if it's not poverty

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ScootyHoofdorp t1_je1ro2s wrote

You've made it clear that you cannot answer my question. My numbers come from FBI crime data. They're correct.

And I'm not sure why you need me to repeat myself. I said that poverty is a big part of the story here, but that there are other factors at play, which the data makes very obvious.

I'm sorry you're unable to see that.

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Typical-Radish4317 t1_je2vb7k wrote

Lol you cannot answer my question. Look at any city you mentioned and look at which part of the city has the highest rate of crime. Shocker its the poorest portion.

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