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ChesapeakeCannibal t1_jchncra wrote

Good

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Alaira314 t1_jcilhv7 wrote

That was my first reaction too, but apparently it happened while they were in storage(according to commenters further down, the article is paywalled for me so I can't confirm). That's a bit more of a complex thing, like it wasn't some activist defacement of something in an attempt to get change. I'm all for vandalizing displayed monuments of oppression. Throw that shit in the harbor where it belongs, let's have a statue party. But when you've already won, when it's already been taken down and put into storage, at that point you're just defacing something that doesn't belong to you, to...make yourself feel good? Like you accomplished something? But what did you accomplish, if the monument had already been taken down? That energy would be better directed to something that matters, because if it's going to be used as ammunition against us(and this will) you might as well have accomplished something while you were at it.

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rpd9803 t1_jcjr15t wrote

Won’t somebody think of the poor revisionist confederate monuments? Give me a fucking break. Vandalize them wherever they stand, and when they get melted down to slag, vandalize the slag too for all I care about those dumb things.

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Alaira314 t1_jcl4qcs wrote

But what does it accomplish? Name one positive thing that happens as a result of that, one concrete change in the world that makes it a better place to people walking around on the street. Put that in the "good things" column.

Now in the "bad things" column we have conservatives and some moderates racing to the polls, reacting to what they see as hooliganism. And this does excite their base. It works astoundingly well, especially targeted to white conservatives in the county(who have more statewide power than before with the recent redistricting).

Now, to morally evaluate the act, we compare the two columns. Is it worth it? I can't come up with anything to put in the first column at all, given that the statues had already been permanently removed from where they'd been displayed, so my math is coming up "absolutely not." Tell me what your math is that makes it come up differently.

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rpd9803 t1_jclcn7k wrote

Oh who tf cares on what the right might use to motivate their base when they’re gonna make up something to motivate their base no matter what happens? And that something doesn’t even have to be true to motivate their base.

The percentage of people this will singularly motivate is not enough to swing any election, but inflation and squeegee boys might.

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Alaira314 t1_jcli6ev wrote

But what concrete thing does this action accomplish?

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rpd9803 t1_jcm2jlx wrote

Well, right now its concretely providing materials for pearl clutching and virtue signaling.

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Alaira314 t1_jcm5uwq wrote

What concrete thing against racism and oppression did this action of vandalism accomplish?

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rpd9803 t1_jcm89at wrote

Made somebody feel good to smash a dumb statue.

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Alaira314 t1_jcmbp66 wrote

That's all I could come up with, either. Thank you for finally answering the question instead of dodging it.

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rpd9803 t1_jcmbubn wrote

Thank you for wasting a bunch of time with poor executive function

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Thanatosst t1_jci5bdy wrote

Why are there still at least two Confederate statues in the city?

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frolicndetour t1_jcic8vn wrote

They are in storage. They aren't on display any more.

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kia75 t1_jcjenbk wrote

I mean, why does Baltimore even have confederate statues, even if they're in storage? Baltimore and Maryland weren't part of the Confederacy. Heck, if there's Civil War statues they should be Union statues.

of course, we all know the real reason a city like Baltimore had Confederate statues.

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Goth_2_Boss t1_jcjh9mt wrote

The same reason any place does? Really wealthy racists.

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Gov_Martin_OweMalley t1_jcjvy5x wrote

Why not let them have the statues then on condition they make a very hefty donation to a local charity that supports minorities or LGBTQ? If no one claims them, melt them down for scrap value and donate that money.

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DONNIENARC0 t1_jckc8f2 wrote

They were being sent to be displayed in an art exhibit in LA later this year. Also not sure we own them in the first place.

The Columbus statue that people tore down and threw in the harbor a couple years ago, for example, was commissioned & owned by Italian American Organizations United

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Gov_Martin_OweMalley t1_jckfaaf wrote

Ah, got ya. I was just scheming to extract some wealth from some rich racists and use it for good.

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Timmah_1984 t1_jcjjujy wrote

Maryland was a slave state though and is south of the Mason-Dickson line. Baltimore had a notable riot on Pratt Street between confederate sympathizers and a Union Militia which was aided by the BPD. The sympathizers lost but did a lot of damage and caused some casualties.

There was a lot of tension in Baltimore that lasted far beyond the war. There was also a small percentage of Maryland residents who did go fight for the Confederacy. The statues are echos of all that. Obviously though we don’t need to keep and display them.

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oneweirdbear t1_jck1at3 wrote

"avenge the patriotic gore / that flecked the streets of Baltimore"

It always bothered me that every other state song that uses the same tune as Maryland's (old) song is all "look at how beautiful our state is, we have all these natural wonders, our people are friendly and wonderful, gosh our state is lovely"... and then you've got the Confederate simpfest that is "Maryland, My Maryland".

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rtmfb t1_jchuz4r wrote

Loki "So sad. Anyway..." .gif

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todareistobmore t1_jcidkdu wrote

> The Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument, which was dedicated in 1903 and doused in red paint by protesters in 2017, depicts the angel Glory holding a dying Confederate soldier clenching an unfurled Confederate flag. The flag was sawed off and a small hole was drilled in the soldier’s knee.

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gspc9 t1_jchzmlp wrote

based

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One-Comfortable8392 t1_jcinapr wrote

The crime is clearly that these people haven't been compensated for their work.

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karakul t1_jcibv2r wrote

melt em down

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Classifiedgarlic t1_jcixc7d wrote

We had two confederate statues to vandalize just hanging out?

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DONNIENARC0 t1_jckbega wrote

They're the same ones that were taken down a while ago when Pugh was still mayor. After they were taken down, they were put in this enclosure in some impound lot next to Pulaski highway until somebody could figure out what to do with them.

> The Confederate effigies were among four that were removed from various locations across the city the same month as the deadly white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The statues have since sat in a weedy corner of an impound lot off Pulaski Highway and were expected to be displayed in a Los Angeles art exhibit this fall.

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TheSocialistApple t1_jcl29x5 wrote

We still have those?

Where? I'd like to perform ... further research.

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imaryter t1_jcl8ht2 wrote

They still got them 1.5 ton participation trophies around?

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spaceribs t1_jcijmww wrote

Sounds like a plan 😎

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spaceribs t1_jcik7t6 wrote

Wait, so we're not tearing down the washington monument? I'm so confused 😣

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spaceribs t1_jcil41c wrote

I mean, it sounds you can do two things

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mysteryweapon t1_jcinkuz wrote

MLK never voiced specific condemnation either, tf is your point?

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spaceribs t1_jcpqqls wrote

Love your response, but lets be clear, you might as well be speaking to a stain on the wall.

I've had more intelligent discussions with my morning shits.

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mysteryweapon t1_jckala3 wrote

No, I don’t draw parallels between a civil rights icon and defenders of slavery

Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom

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TheSocialistApple t1_jcl37f6 wrote

Were your parents related?

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mysteryweapon t1_jclzqsl wrote

Congratulations, this is the dumbest take I've gotten in a reply on reddit in months

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[deleted] t1_jcm1z75 wrote

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mysteryweapon t1_jco0gxl wrote

> m'racism

ahaha, tell me some more dumb shit you idiot, ahaha!

Clowny ass fuck, tell me more jokes, you hilarious fucking clown!

Ahahaha

Ahahahahhaha

Entertain me some more, clowny!

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Stoso11 t1_jcif6z6 wrote

It’s more complex than that and you know it. These statues represent and lionize people who fought tooth and nail to overthrow the United States government because they were denied the right to own slaves.

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Admirable_Story_5063 t1_jcii967 wrote

Maybe watching a little bitty less of Fox News will ease your mind as well

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Nicktendo t1_jcitfyo wrote

Well can you blame him? It's the exact same kind of dumb whattaboutism argument you see from Fox News viewers.

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HombreDeCamote t1_jcj2lba wrote

Read this speech from the vice president if the confederacy at the time of the civil war and then try explaining why it's a good idea to have statues of the representatives and military brass of that failed nation anywhere in public. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1861stephens.asp

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purrballtheconqueror t1_jcj49l3 wrote

They can be replaced with a statue of General Giap since you conservatives love your statues of Americas enemies

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purrballtheconqueror t1_jckkk3j wrote

But all these treasonous confederate monuments are.

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old_at_heart t1_jctzwjv wrote

Yeah, but we'll keep a sharp eye out for what you're hauling around in your truck.

"I got it off Craigslist" Uh, huh....suure.....

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