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sgtcarrot t1_jbbb0ww wrote

Two seasons where he was out almost half a year, only one playoff win... and he wants the most money of anybody in the NFL.

Seems really immature; also seems like he would benefit from some professional representation.

The love I used to feel is waning, making me more and more ok with him leaving and us finding a real raven to lead the roost.

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dopkick t1_jbcfweh wrote

He’s leaving so much money on the table by not having an agent. He could have used the past several years to really build his brand and segue that into endorsements. He should have been appearing in commercials, have an expansive line of apparel of some kind, etc. This would have all been easy to get going after the MVP season. And all of it is easier money than playing football. Instead he’s trying to make his money through potentially unrealistic contract asks. In his quest to save 3% he’s probably passing up on 50%.

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markmano33 t1_jbclr7x wrote

Good points and also he’s being used as a pawn by the NFLPA who wants all of the guys to only accept fully guaranteed contracts. Professional representation would’ve helped navigate that landmine as well.

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DrJungeyBrungenMD t1_jbbsweo wrote

I’m shocked at the number of people who still believe he is the future of this organization.

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jabbadarth t1_jbd37xl wrote

Thing is he good be. He has an amazing talent. If he could stop getting hurt and learn to lead a bit more he could be an amazing quarterback. He just hasn't done that yet and this struggling to make a deal for years is really hurting his stock, especially as he co tines to get hurt which is always a giant question mark on running quarterbacks. Is anyone willing to pay him what he wants when one bad tackle could end a season or career.

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butidktho_ t1_jbd99gm wrote

the annoying part of all of this is your last sentence. Because you can say that for literally any football player. It only takes one play. The ravens have been notoriously injured as a team for the past few years, yet people are still being paid. He hasn’t had any major tears or breaks requiring surgery so he’s still relatively fresh in that regard. it’s just a physical game players are going to get hurt. I don’t see that as a reason he shouldn’t be compensated for being our QB1 plus RB1 for the last 4 years which is an issue in itself.

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mlorusso4 t1_jbf4dg5 wrote

Difference is when your $50million QB goes down vs your $10million running back or $15million DE. The cap implications are massive not to mention most positions you can slide in a decent replacement or sign one off the street. QBs, especially one with such a unique skill set as Lamar, are irreplaceable

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Clutch_Floyd t1_jbc0ccn wrote

He is a running qb. Ravens should know how long they last in the NFL. Just ask RGIII and Michael Vick.

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CantThinkofAgoodI t1_jbckn3i wrote

Michael Vick who was in the league 13 seasons, or a different Michael Vick?

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Kimchi_Cowboy t1_jc99rtt wrote

What did Vick win exactly? Nothing. He was always broken down in the playoffs. It's not a sustainable playing style. You have to be able to be a passer who can run... not a runner who can pass. Mahomes works so well because he's a passer first which opens up clear running lanes. Lamar's runs are tough runs and he's not going to be able to continue to rack up these hits.

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HereToParty2023 t1_jbci0um wrote

This is a dumb ass take. Neither of them won MVP and had to deal with a shit WR corps like Lamar has. Yall fake fans don't deserve Lamar.

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Kimchi_Cowboy t1_jc99zvl wrote

Bro, Brady won Super Bowls with WR's that were thrown away, under sized white guys, or projects. He had Moss for a few years and a Gronk was gone from a few of his Super Bowls. Julian Edelman said it many times, Tom helped make him, not the other way around. Throwing Tannehill in there is just a troll at this point. Who was the last "running" QB to win a Super Bowl? Arguably, Steve Young and that a push because I'd say Young is more like Mahomes, a passer who can run, not a runner who can pass.

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CantThinkofAgoodI t1_jbcl8b6 wrote

Betting on yourself is immature?! He's consistently ranked in the top half of QBs, and who on the market comes close? Carson Wetz? haha

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jabbadarth t1_jbd3kj3 wrote

No, betting on yourself is fine. Holding a team hostage in negotiations because you want the most money of any player in the entire league with little in the way of postseason wins to show for it is immature. He was offered an amazing deal with $130+ million in guaranteed money and he turned it down because it wasn't the biggest deal in the league. There is a fine line between self confidence and hubris and I feel like Lamar is jumping over it.

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CantThinkofAgoodI t1_jbf0pak wrote

First, you have to consider the info about negotiations have only come from the Raven's side and of course paints it as they have done everything to give Lamar the best deal possible and he's not budging. Not hard to imagine but one thing to consider. Once Lamar saw last year that DeShaun Watson signed a $230M guaranteed deal, Russell Wilson a $165M guaranteed deal and Matt Stafford a $130M guaranteed deal, he ofcourse would/should get a similar deal. Carr signed recently to $100M guarantee and Daniel Jones to $82M guarantee and those are worst qb's.

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jabbadarth t1_jbf1dwm wrote

He was offered $133 million guaranteed but the total was $250 million. That total was more than any other player and the guaranteed put him at the third highest guarantee ever given.

Hard to look at this and not see greed, IMO.

I'm all for players fighting to get good deals but when you put a whole team and city in limbo over it it leaves a bad taste in a lot of fans mouths, myself included. I'd love for Lamar to play here since he is one of the most exciting players in the league but I don't want it to cost the team any chance at getting other players and I'm already annoyed it hasn't worked out for 2 years.

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mlorusso4 t1_jbf5646 wrote

I believe the reason he’s so adamant about a fully guaranteed contract is because he has almost no endorsements. Yes mahomes and Rodgers are making $45million per, but they’re making almost as much in State Farm and subway commercials. It’s another reason why he’s so stupid for not having an agent. There’s no way he can properly be an nfl qb, negotiate a massive contract, and secure endowment deals all at the same time and it’s probably cost him tens of millions of dollars

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jabbadarth t1_jbfe2xr wrote

Yeah I mean I love the guy as a player but he seems pretty dumb. Even tucker is putting out royal farms commercials.

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Kimchi_Cowboy t1_jc9a5gd wrote

Betting on yourself is fine... but why place a gamble on a bet that has terrible odds? You don't just "bet on yourself" thats an immature and short sighted statement. You bet on yourself according to the situation at hand. Momma Jackson ain't it. Dude should have Drew Rosenhaus on speed dial.

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DudleyAndStephens t1_jbkxlph wrote

> Seems really immature

I don't think it's fair to say he's being immature. Football is a business and he's trying to get as much money as he can. Totally reasonable. There are dumb franchises out there that will give absolutely awful contracts to players and he gambled that something like that would benefit him. Unfortunately for Lamar the disaster of the Deshaun Watson contract in Cleveland appears to have knocked some sense into idiots like Dan Snyder.

I do agree that he misjudged his value on the market and would be better off with an agent.

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