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addctd2badideas t1_jdnu5uz wrote

Tell them to go public. I would never tolerate this from a white collar employer, and it should still be unacceptable to treat workers this way.

But it should also be a lesson to your friend to always get things in writing.

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BmoreBr0 t1_jdo1umm wrote

I know plenty of white collar employers that make job candidates complete large sample work products as part of the hiring process which they are not paid for, but can often take multiple days to complete.

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addctd2badideas t1_jdo3nnm wrote

It is indeed still something that happens. I had to do one too for my last job. If it's something that only takes an hour or two, I don't think it's that bad. But anything more, one should be paid for.

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dweezil22 t1_jdomuu9 wrote

The question is whether the employer uses the product of an interview to profit. For example, a 12 hour take home programming test is shitty, but a 12 hour take home test for a fake job where the employer uses the code in production is criminal. Usually it's the former, and ppl get conspiratorial and think it's the latter (doing the latter doesn't tend to even work well, since someone still has to debug and support the code).

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gaytee t1_jdohko2 wrote

Hiring for any job that pays more than 40k will take 3-4 steps, and likely 2-6 weeks.

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TheBaltimoron t1_jdypvbx wrote

And to be clear, writing doesn't have to mean a formal contract, just send a text.

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gaytee t1_jdohhqk wrote

To become a software engineer, I completed over 100 hours of “take home” assignments. This is very common and an acceptable way to see if people are not entirely full of shit.

And not to be the dickhead, but a huge chunk of people in hospitality are full of shit.

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gaytee t1_jdpqjmn wrote

I’ll defer the hater attitude and downvotes to let you all know that now I work 20 hour weeks at MOST, from wherever I want, and make a healthy six figures.

Sure the scale differs when you’re a software engineer, not a cook, but the fact is that for all jobs, I don’t trust anyone’s resume, I trust how they handle Sunday brunch or a regional instance of an AWS cluster failing during deploy that causes the SaaS app to fail on a peak weekend.

I’d never hire you blindly, but I’d let you do a coding challenge, the same way I’d let you stage during a catered event to see how you handle it.

To be clear, each job application is maybe 2-3 hours of work, I didn’t do 3 full time weeks of work for one app, as much as the software engineering job market is very competitive and it took a while to find a good opportunity.

Get with it or stay poor, sad and broken, homies. I am only here to help provide insight into how the rest of the world without college degrees, myself included, makes it.

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TheBaltimoron t1_jdyq0ne wrote

Who is talking about hiring blindly? If you work, you get paid.

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gaytee t1_jdvfxc5 wrote

It’s not different from what I originally said, but for some reason all of you chose to think I put in nearly a month of work for some app where my coding assignments were used in production which really happens far less often than some of the hiring horror stories suggest.

While that does happen some of the time, it’s not common practice. I get it though, the downvotes are just projections of insecurities bcz jealousy causes weird reactions.

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gaytee t1_jdw5hhh wrote

Lol. If you think any of this is humble bragging, I feel bad for anyone who tries to have a conversation with you that contains opposing views. This is me doing nothing more than providing realistic insight into a different industry than OP was talking about that has similar hiring strategies, because this hiring strategy exists everywhere and it's goal is to weed out liars.

Until you draft the legislation to require staging/interview time to be paid and it gets signed into law, all of your energy dedicated to being upset at less than legal hiring practices is nothing more than a waste of time. You could be improving your earning potential, increasing your industry knowledge and get promoted, but you'd rather project insecurities about your lack of success in this thread than accept that maybe more of life is within your control than you admit and you're just lazy. Why do you expect everything, including jobs to just be handed to you without earning them? Filling out an application and having a decent work history is NOT earning the job, its earning the opportunity to be considered seriously.

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addctd2badideas t1_jdoyvfa wrote

Is it common? Perhaps.

Is it acceptable???

No.

No. No. Bad.

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gaytee t1_jdpqop6 wrote

While you and everyone else on Reddit lives in a dreamworld, the rest of us have accepted it for what it is and figured out a way to make it work. But enjoy your echo chamber, there’s some benefit to venting…

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Glaucon321 t1_jdtuuq2 wrote

There seems to be a clear difference between assessments of an applicant’s ability, on one hand, and the sale/use of their work product, on the other. I’ve gone through lengthy job application cycles as well, which have included completing hypothetical assignments. But that’s entirely different than doing work for someone, ie creating something that that person then profits from, resells, or otherwise takes ownership of. That’s called unjust enrichment and can lead to civil liability. The legal way to do this is to have a 90-day provisional period where an employer can decide not to hire you, and offer you less benefits during that period (though they still have to pay you).

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