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DfcukinLite t1_jaabegz wrote

Do you have the date on your claims I’d love to see a source?

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Timmah_1984 t1_jaadkgk wrote

“Of the 420 dirt bikes police have seized since the launch of the task force, 88 were stolen, said Baltimore Detective David Jones. Many of the stolen bikes have been ripped off from dealerships and private owners in the suburbs around Baltimore County and from as far away as Pennsylvania and Virginia.”

So that’s about 20 percent that were stolen. Link below:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dirt-bike-dealers-battling-brazen-wheelie-boys-in-thefts/2017/07/01/088b454c-5cd1-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html

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DfcukinLite t1_jaafl70 wrote

Yeah I read this in 2017 when it came out. 20% isn’t a “large majority”

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marylandmymaryland t1_jaagkqz wrote

If 1 in 5 cars in Baltimore were stolen, would you say the same thing?

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DfcukinLite t1_jaah9kf wrote

I would say 20% is not the majority or a large percentage. I would also say it also doesn’t substantiate the claims made here .

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Jrbobfishman t1_jaawdjp wrote

It’s way more than that. They can’t officially count the ones with the serial numbers ground off as stolen

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Moongdss74 t1_jac9g4x wrote

that's only the percentage of bikes seized. I think the percentage would skew higher if they recovered more bikes.

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DfcukinLite t1_jac9rpo wrote

I’m asking for facts and hard numbers. Not what you “think”

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SCLSU-Mud-Dogs t1_jacqo1n wrote

You're not asking for facts and hard numbers and you're not asking for what u/Moongdss74 thinks so what are you asking for? Are you asking for people to define entitlements again?

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Random-Cpl t1_jaaina6 wrote

Yes he’d absolutely say the same thing, because one in five is not in any way a majority

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EfficiencySuch6361 t1_jaay074 wrote

It’s less than 50% so it can’t be a majority at all, let alone a large majority. It’s not even halfway there

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marylandmymaryland t1_jaah0c3 wrote

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DfcukinLite t1_jaahivk wrote

I only everyone in this thread made up numbers. They do it daily. That’s why I request sourced data, not lies and feelings

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Nelson_Gremdella t1_jac3q50 wrote

Would it make you feel better if whoever upset you edited their post from “large majority” to “roughly 20%”?

Is that your real issue here?

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DfcukinLite t1_jac56dd wrote

The real issue is no claim made here is backed by facts.

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Nelson_Gremdella t1_jac6ozd wrote

I hear you, and I agree. Throwing incorrect numbers around to back up your claims is wrong.

You have been successful in demonstrating to readers that possibly 20% of the dirt bikes are stolen, rather than “a large majority.”

Personally, I don’t think whether or not the bike was stolen is “the” problem. “The” problem is kids riding dirt bikes illegally in the city and endangering the public.

I feel like those who’ve taken it upon themselves to prove to the world that only a few of the dirt bikes are stolen got lost down a go-nowhere alleyway (motorcycle theft).

Isn’t the real issue the fact that the dirt bikes are ridden illegally?

That plus 20% stolen makes the OP’s venture one absolutely no one is putting any money into, ever.

The 20% stolen is just sugar on top of why no one wants to invest in something like this.

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YoYoMoMa t1_jacvt79 wrote

> “The” problem is kids riding dirt bikes illegally in the city and endangering the public.

How many people in the public have been hurt by them?

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DfcukinLite t1_jaca5kc wrote

Those 2 things have nothing to do with which other. Because plenty of people have had these every same idea, regardless of the 20% or what you feel.

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MotoSlashSix t1_jacaafo wrote

But that’s not the problem the commenter cited. The comment starting all this back and forth over numbers cites as literally the #1 issue the idea that a “large majority" of the bikes ridden illegally are stolen. When someone begins with a false premise people who disagree with their conclusion are going to question that premise. That is natural. If you don't have a factual premise your argument is a house of cards.

If it’s a red herring (or “sugar”) why even bring it up?

IMO that claim reads like an ad hominem. And here's why: Let's say we knew for certain that 100% of the bikes being used were bought legally; would that make the street riding any better/safer? Of course not. Unsafe riding is unsafe riding. (aside: I've been riding motorcycles for over 15 years and I'm not aware of anything proving a stolen motorcycle is less safe than a legally purchased one. Seems like that would be covered in the MSF Motorcycle Safety Course. The pavement hurts just as bad when you land after a high-side at speed regardless of how you got your bike)

If the issue upsetting folks is unsafe street riding, then providing a non-street place to ride is a good starting point. So debate that idea on the issues that you can verify; not dubious numbers and ad hominem attacks leveled at the riders.

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Nelson_Gremdella t1_jaexjja wrote

I’m pretty sure you and I are on the same page about whether the bike is stolen or not has no effect on the fact that it’s being ridden illegally and dangerously. It doesn’t.

The sugar on top part, I’ll explain.

OP is making a suggestion to try and make some positive moves in this city with regards to this particular issue.

The poster you’re referring to entered the discussion, implied that this topic and this particular solution has been discussed before, and listed two things that always come up.

One of those things was over exaggerated.

You or someone else pulled some statistics and proved that rather than “a large majority,” only 20% of these dirt bikes are stolen.

Congratulations to whoever that was. Seriously.

However, that does absolutely nothing to change the fact that this topic and this particular solution has been discussed before and two specific things always come up.

To simplify, no one is investing in a bike park (OP’s suggestion) if there’s a possibility 20% of the bikes in there are stolen. That’s like throwing money away.

I don’t understand the race baiting.

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JonWilso t1_jaabp0l wrote

Just Google "Baltimore stolen dirbtikes" and you'll get what you're looking for.

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DfcukinLite t1_jaabydg wrote

I did. There’s nothing with any official data backing your claim. Just vague stories. Do you have something with numbers because I’d like to see numbers.

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