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Nintendoholic t1_j8rf4qd wrote

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And they can certainly do so, even if we shut down every 4th street to car traffic

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8rktgi wrote

So a near 25% reduction in parking spots?

We need to address public transportation gaps first before we start jumping ahead here.

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Nintendoholic t1_j8rlph0 wrote

Induced demand my dude

You can’t get people to use public transpo when using a car is always more convenient. Need both the carrot and the stick

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8rm5d5 wrote

So you want to reduce demand? What does that mean? Less people frequenting baltimore businesses?

Build the public transportation first, then shut down those streets. It should happen in that order, that is all.

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Nintendoholic t1_j8roreq wrote

Have you considered that roads are a barrier to people walking places, reducing the amount of foot travel and therefore demand? You could very well see an uptick in business if people feel confident that they can get there safely and directly.

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8rpnbl wrote

Urban sprawl and the lack of public transportation are the reasons why people rely on roads and cars.

Even if people want to use public transportation, they can't if it DOESN'T EXIST

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Nintendoholic t1_j8s2xqv wrote

Roads and parking lots ARE urban sprawl. Get rid of them and you can fit more people and amenities!

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8s4p5r wrote

You dont need more people and amenities first. You need better public transportation first.

If the elimination of select roads is part of an integrated and strategic public transportstion overhaul, sure.

But "getting rid of roads" is not the first step in fixing the problem.

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bmore t1_j8s76gs wrote

Cars are the biggest barrier to improved public transit. We could have dedicated alignments for all of our high frequency buses if there wasn't parking or car traffic in the way.

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8s8853 wrote

And like i said if the removal of roads is part of a strategic public transportation overhaul program i support it.

But arbitrarily closing off every 4th road to cars is not the right first step

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drillpublisher t1_j8w7j29 wrote

Dude, Jesus Christ.

Cities and urban environments existed long before "public transit" and even the bicycle. We've got even better amenities now with electric scooters/bicycles. Yes, people have adapted to how cities have evolved, but they're not necessary.

Waiting to spend billions on public transit before increasing urbanization and density is a wild push.

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lolokaydudewhatever t1_j8w7oo8 wrote

Not at the population densities that exist today.

Are you seriously advocating the shutting down of 25% of baltimore's roads to cars before addressing public transportation? Youre out of your mind

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HorsieJuice t1_j8s9jca wrote

Shutting down roads won't reduce the amount of walking people would have to do since it doesn't magically uproot the stores and homes that already exist. My dentist or my grocery store are still a half mile away regardless of the number of streets I have to cross in the middle. And if you're only closing one out of every four roads, that leaves 75% that people will still have to cross. If you have trouble crossing streets, you're still going to have trouble crossing streets.

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