Submitted by InPurpleIDescended t3_ya0o82 in askscience

For simplicity's sake let's say a planet is Earth-sized and has the same orbital period. Could there be a comet that feasibly comes around once a year at the same date? What might the mechanics of this look like, and possibly how long (i.e. how many years? centuries?) before you'd expect the subtle shifts in its orbit to eventually deviate enough from this path to be noticeable?

There could be some slight room for error as I'm imagining a culture that doesn't have telescope or satellite technology as yet, but I'm interested to hear any broad responses the question brings out. Thanks!

p.s. if this is something that happens on Earth already I didn't find it on google so pls be kind lol

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Astrokiwi t1_itb7ynz wrote

Technically, kinda? But it probably wouldn't be very visible, and it's a bit unlikely.

So, the orbital period of an object relates to the "semi-major axis" of its orbit. The "major axis" of an elliptical orbit is the distance from when the object is at its closest point to the Sun, to the distance from when the object is at its furthest point from the Sun. The "semi-major axis" is half of this. For a circular orbit, the "semi-major axis" is just the fixed orbital radius.

Earth's orbit is pretty close to circular (although a little bit elliptical), and has a semi-major axis of 1 AU. This means that any object that has the same orbital period (one year) also needs to have a semi-major axis of 1 AU. This could be an elliptical orbit from 0.5 AU to 1.5 AU, a more circular orbit from 0.9 AU to 1.1 AU etc. At its most extreme it could go from grazing the Sun at almost 0 AU, up to almost 2 AU.

This means that the comet will have to always be relatively close to the Sun. Jupiter is 5 AU from the Sun, and Mars is 1.5 AU from the Sun, so if your maximum distance from the Sun is 2 AU, you're still very much in the inner solar system.

This is significant here because it affects how comets comet. A comet carries cold material from the outer solar system, and then warms up as it approaches the Sun. Getting heated and blasted by solar light and radiation causes outflows of dust and gas from the comet, producing a huge 'coma' tail of material streaming outwards from the Sun (note - the coma isn't a tail behind the comet, it always flows away from the Sun).

A comet that close to the Sun would be generally warm all the time, and not have such dramatic outbursts. It also would lose material every time it approaches the Sun, which means that if it was ever dramatic, it would burn out pretty quickly.

There is a comet with a period of 1.4 years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3200_Phaethon - however its dim enough that an amateur astronomer with a backyard telescope can only see it if it happens to be passing close to the Earth. That's generally what you'd expect a year period comet to be like.

Comets can have pretty regular orbits - although the outgassing of material can add a twist. But you could have a fairly inactive comet with a period of about a year, and it wouldn't radically shift. Like, if it had a period of a year and a day, it would just shift relative to the Earth's orbit by one day a year.

What you might want to look at is meteor showers. Meteor showers do regularly occur at the same time of the year. Here, there is a long tail from the disintegration of an old comet that remains in orbit around the Sun. Although the individual chunks of stuff in the tail are all in motion, they all are following the same orbit, which means that the tail as a whole stays in roughly the same place in the Solar System. This means that if the Earth passes through the tail, it will pass through the tail at the same point in its orbit every year, which is why you get meteor showers at the same dates every year. If you're looking for annual astronomical events that are visible to the naked eye, that's a common one. Some meteor showers are more dramatic than others, so there's no reason why some planet might have a particular strong on at a certain time each year.

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invertedearth t1_itjkv5g wrote

I suddenly realized that I was receiving true expert knowledge when I got to the sentence >This is is significant here because it affects how comets comet.

Sincerely, that was great.

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jlnbtr t1_itbdttd wrote

Just to add, even though a comet “passing by” every single year is unrealistic, it could be changed to a meteor shower. Meteor showers (like the perseids) happen yearly, and it’s the earth passing by the tail (remains) of a comet

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-Hominid- t1_itbe2t1 wrote

Yes, this is very possible. It has to do with orbital resonances, and quasi-satellites.

The object would have an orbit that looks quite different from Earth, but nearly the exact same orbital period. If the eccentricity is higher, meaning at perihelion it is much closer to the sun than Earth, and Aphelion is much farther, it will appear in the same location of the sky each year. This is called the synodic period.

There are quite a few known asteroids that do this, one is 2014 OL339.

https://catalina.lpl.arizona.edu/css-orbit-view?Namev=2014%20OL339&JDTv=2459873.5&av=0.9988647&Mv=171.06829&ev=0.4608603&Iv=10.18495&Periv=289.69668&Nodev=252.10035&Pv=0.9982975334312787&qv=0&Tv=0&Cx=-112&Cy=512&Cz=852&CZ=194

Notice that if you speed time up on the app, the asteroid is always nearly in the same location of the sky each time Earth passes it.

That would just have to be a comet.

This brings up other issues though. Comets are balls of ice and rock. They tend to cook when they get that close to the sun. The ice will eventually all sublimate away into space leaving a dead comet core behind.

This hypothetical comet would have to have been recently captured into this orbit.

Another issue is the orbit of said comet would not be stable, as when comets heat up and start off gassing, they create jets of gas that can push the comet around. These are called nongravitational forces and they'd likely push the comet out of that orbit after a while.

Quasi-satellites are also unstable configurations.

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InPurpleIDescended OP t1_iteg4dm wrote

Thank you! Just out of curiosity, what timescale would 'recently' captured into orbit be, would you expect? Like years, decades, centuries

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rootofallworlds t1_itcjyve wrote

The orbital mechanics works. As mentioned, a 1:1 orbital resonance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne is a good example. If you look at the charts, it makes a close approach to Earth once a year, but how close these approaches are varies over a few centuries.

The question is whether such a body can preserve enough cometary activity to look like a comet to the naked eye. Any object in a 1:1 orbital resonance can never get more than 2AU from the Sun so it doesn't get any real break from the solar heating that drives cometary activity. Active asteroids, also known as main belt comets, are known, but most orbit more like 3AU out.

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