Submitted by TheIronKurtin t3_110uph4 in askscience
Comments
TheIronKurtin OP t1_j8d9liz wrote
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the great explanation!
_Fuck_Im_Dead_ t1_j8e2g18 wrote
No problem! I definitely don't know all this because I caused a chimney fire in my own chimney. Definitely not. 🤐
thred_pirate_roberts t1_j8fkxcz wrote
I also definitely did not start a chimney fire.
It was a dryer lint fire.
[deleted] t1_j8ftrgs wrote
[removed]
desolation0 t1_j8ec1qm wrote
As to why it doesn't burn up before leaving the fire itself? Usually that means there wasn't enough oxygen to burn with all the carbon. Oxygen is the other ingredient of making a flame. When it has left the direct flame, it then needs to be hot enough to ignite even if there is now an abundance of nearby oxygen. When you see sparkly embers up in the flame, that's a bit of hot carbon finally being close enough to some oxygen to burn.
[deleted] t1_j8ehnhw wrote
[removed]
PlaidBastard t1_j8ebej6 wrote
So, you know how there's a 'fire triangle' for combustion? Oxidizer, fuel, heat (and ignition)?
I'd say there's another one for complete combustion: even mixing of fuel and oxidizer, sufficient but not overabundance of ambient airflow to equilibrate volume change by exhaust gases from combustion reaction, and sufficiently high total concentration of oxidizer and fuel in flame environment to maintain combustion with the energy released by the reaction.
In a normal fireplace, or a gas furnace, none of these conditions are met perfectly throughout the region where combustion is happening. (It's quite good in modern, to-code gas appliances compared to a wood fire or a really sooty, misadjusted propane burner, however).
For example, that means there are regions where there are oxidizer and fuel (usually the gaseous reactants) are well mixed, but too dilute with ambient air to burn. Other regions might have too much fuel and not enough oxidizer because of turbulent mixing with the ambient air, but plenty of heat, so the fuel will undergo reducing reactions instead of oxidizing, which turns hydrocarbons into hydrogen (which will burn somewhere in the fire) and carbon (which is soot), and then that carbon is able to cool before it's mixed with enough oxygen to combust.
Imagine trying to mix two colors of cold wax in a pot on the stove just by heating it up and letting the bubbling and boiling do the work. That's about the best a wood fire can hope for in terms of even mixing of the flammable gases coming off of logs and coals with the air it needs to combust. There are all sorts of pockets of reducing and oxidizing environments in there, and as a result you get soot as well as weird, icky nitrogen compounds which give us smog etc.
P0RTILLA t1_j8g5b0k wrote
Soot is generally caused by incomplete combustion. It is hard find soot on a natural gas burner with a clean blue flame. All carbon is oxidized. With wood the chains of carbon is very long and the combustion is slower cooler and longer many newer wood burning stoves have a reburn where super heated fresh air is introduced to oxidize and ignite some of the gasified wood that would be soot. Imagine soot as tiny particles of charcoal. Also remember combustible means it’s flash point is above 100c.
[deleted] t1_j8c02e7 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_j8c96v1 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_j8fxx69 wrote
[removed]
Onetap1 t1_j8wozaa wrote
Because of convection mostly.
The fire mostly happens in the bed, the bottom and you add new fuel on top of the hot burning coals.
The heat radiated from the fire bed causes the new fuel to break down (pyrolysis) into flammable gases, vapours and solid particles.
However, hot air rises, so the air flow goes upwards, through the bed of the fire. The excess air and combustion products go upwards, through the as-yet unburnt fresh fuel, and it carries away some of the combustible gases, vapours & particles upwards, away from the fire bed. It doesn't get burned and that's the soot.
Look up downdraught gasifier stoves and secondary combustion.
_Fuck_Im_Dead_ t1_j8btz5a wrote
It does. You might notice that the inside of a fireplace has practically zero soot, just ash... and the inside of the chimney where it is not actively on fire (hopefully) gets caked with soot. Eventually the soot (creosote really) will get caked up enough to slow the draw through the chimney, causing heat buildup, and potentially a chimney fire. A chimney fire will indeed burn off the soot, but also likely damaging the chimney and possibly burning the house down.