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Writteninsanity t1_j9uj8or wrote

"Welcome back to Good Morning Nations, I'm Janet Tillsdale and today we have someone very exciting on the program," Janet beamed at the camera, offering a smile she'd practised so meticulously Harold said she did it in her sleep, "today on Good Morning we have an exclusive interview with Rebel Ovishir Scientist, Dalia Kinderith, who is making the claim that humans are, in fact, sapient."

Some people in the audience laughed, others scoffed, it was a contentious topic.

The camera pulled back from its close up of Janet and revealed the guest, a pearl skinned feminine alien covered in thousands of fish-like scales; a powerful tail was tucked behind her on her chair and she was wearing both a tight space suit and a small mask that covered her mouth.

"Welcome Delia," Janet greeted.

There was silence for a moment, longer than was allowed in an interview in most cases. The network had added support for the alien translation devices to the studio, but it was still far from real-time. Dalia waited as English was translated into something she could understand. Then she opened her mouth and a moment later, over the speakers, a simulated voice spoke up "Thanks for having me Janet, I've found your program very interesting over the past week."

"Is that how long you've been on Earth?"

"Ten days now," Dalia's fake voice corrected. To the audience the whole thing looked like a poorly dubbed movie from the 90s with Dalia clearly making her point before any words came out, "I do love the planet. You've been very welcoming to the Ovishir."

Janet nodded along and her producer shout-whispered something in her ear about steering away from the 'welcome' that the Aliens had gotten. After the first contact skirmishes just beyond Pluto the United Nations had welcomed Aliens to see the planet with open arms. It was a hot button issue and not something she was supposed to bring up on an all audiences program. "If you've been here that long, what's so interesting about our program?"

"Well," Dalia started, "it's actually quite similar to the programming we have back on Ovilatia, almost shockingly so."

Usually Janet would have made a joke there, but she'd been trained on the alien translation technology and how poorly it dealt with English sarcasm at the moment. "Well I'm glad you like the show."

"I never said I liked it," Dalia shot back with a proper humorous tone. The audience laughed. For some reason she was able to joke through the translation. Must have come with practice.

"Fair enough, I guess we'll have to look for other fans in the stars," Janet responded, "I haven't had a galactic audience before."

Dalia offered a sharp exhale, which Janet had been told was the Ovishir equivalent of a polite chuckle.

"Speaking of the galaxy at large," Janet pivoted, "would you mind telling us a little bit about your theory regarding humans compared to the other species?"

"Certainly," Dalia shifted a little in her chair, giving her tail space to unwind behind her for a moment, "so the general galactic opinion at the moment is that humans have been exempt from Galactic Integration Procedures because they aren't a properly sapient specie due to the lack of Keeneeta but that view seems myopic by my study."

'"We-" Janet went to start but noticed that Dalia was still speaking, the translator was just buffering.

"There is a lot of evidence to point to humans being a Sapient species, and the fact that you aren't be treated within Galactic Integration Procedures could be disastrous for your species, should you ever keeneetaa."

There was the word again. Nobody quite understood what it meant, but she'd been told not to ask about it because it mostly got a reaction of 'see, they're obviously not sapient, they don't even know what it is.'

Janet nodded along with Dalia's conclusions and then, once she was confident that she was finished her piece, spoke up, "So these Galactic Integration Procedures, they're important in your mind?"

Dalia thumped her tail twice, which was the Ovishir equivalent of nodding, "Absolutely, it's about regulation, and right now the lack of regulation around human-galactic integration could be disastrous for your species."

Janet understood that she wasn't allowed to ask the specifics of GIP rules, but she could at least prod a little, "Disastrous how?"

"The Galactic Integration Procedures are the outlines for how we're supposed to interact in the early days. I don't know much about human history, but if there were any instances of Colonialis-"

"There were," Janet cut in.

"ism," the translator caught up.

Dalia thumped again and then continued, "right, so most instances of Colonialism result in cultural decay. Galactic Integration Procedures are set up to promote the flow of human cultural traditions into the Galactic Sphere as opposed to having the arrival of other species erode the human cultures by having off-world species be economically dominant on your home planet."

Janet frowned at the statement 'home planet' she understood that Dalia was being kind there. Humans had a single colony, but they were a single planet species, which was apparently well behind the usual curve for galactic integration. "So you're worried about the lack of regulation surrounding Alien arrival on Earth?"

"Exactly, Janet," Dalia confirmed, "even the fact that I'm allowed on a program like this speaks to the complete lack of GCA oversight regarding humans, and considering the fact that humans have most other markings of PAS, Planetary Advanced Species, it's reckless."

"The other markings?" Janet prodded. Her producer told her to be careful.

"Things like an advanced economy, space flight, abstractions," Dalia explained, "it's all very baseline requirements but they've been solid in the past. The suggestion that brought me here is that your language system obviously isn't inhibiting you as much as the GCA wants to suggest and you should be under Galactic Integration Protocol."

There was a moment in people's careers where they needed to make a choice between playing it safe and risking their job to do it well. Janet had always told herself that she was going to take the hard-hitting path, which was likely why she instinctively asked, "so keeneeta is a linguistic concept?"

"No, pivot," her producer growled in her ear.

"It's difficult to explain because it doesn't translate to your personal language but yes," Dalia said, "and you deserve to understand what's holding you back so that you can argue your case. Whether they will judge your species for it or not."

"Do not be the reason I get calls from the fucking Press Secretary," the producer hissed.

"Perfect," Janet said, brushing her hair back in a practised motion and pulling our her earpiece alongside it.

"Keeneeta is the," Dalia considered for a moment, "it's a base tongue. A unified language that your species inherently understands."

"Like a universal language?" Janet asked.

"Not quite, my species has two main languages alongside our keeneeta," she explained, "but it seems like there are many humans who, without a shared language, have no way of understanding one another."

"So if everyone learned the same language?"

"No because you would need to learn it," Dalia pointed out, "a keeneeta is an inherent thing to the birth of a sapient species," she paused and a moment later her 'voice' did, "or at least-"

The translator cut out and Janet shot her eyes over to the side of the stage and was met with glared from producers and the sight of one yelling into a phone.

Dalia turned to look at the chaos unfolding, she said something but without the wider translation there was no way for Janet to understand her, that said, her eyes showed something close to apology.

A pit gnawed its way into Janet's stomach. She didn't have the context of the future texts that would outline this was one of the most critical interviews of the 2110's. Right now she just understood that she was in deep shit.

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This is somewhat a prequel / world building for my ongoing series Six Orbits over on /r/Jacksonwrites :)

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WontFixMySwypeErrors t1_j9umtwe wrote

Love it! And I hope I'm not spoiling anything, but I was expecting our Keeneetaa to be music! And the other species just hadn't realized it.

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valdus t1_j9uw9bw wrote

Personally I expected this (being unfamiliar with u/Writteninsanity 's linked story) to continue into arguing that our non-verbal 'language' is our keeneetaa. Without language, and basically from birth, almost every Human understands a smile, a snarl, a laugh (despite the language variances therein), a grimace, suspicion, a chuckle, a snub, surprise, fear, etc. That is our shared language - except those of us with ASD mess that up...

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ShittDickk t1_j9x1u71 wrote

The chuckle, the nod and the explanations. The glared eyes from the producer. Humans have one and it's def nonverbal language / facial expressions.

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valdus t1_j9xazzt wrote

The nod is not innate. It it taught - which is why in some countries a nod means no.

The twisting head shake, however, is universally a 'no' - think of trying to feed a 2 year old!

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Firm_Singer_9142 t1_j9x85zx wrote

>the nod

Except in Bulgaria the not means "no".

Big part of nonverbal language is also taught rather than innate.

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Ultra980 t1_j9vroy2 wrote

I'm thinking of keeneetaa sort of like how all guys can "speak" bro lol

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Redcole111 t1_j9vtka4 wrote

As a guy, I definitely do not know how to "speak bro" innately, and have definitely had to learn a lot over the years from people who seem to.

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thoughtsthoughtof t1_j9wy3n2 wrote

A unified language that your species inherently understands."

"Like a universal language?" Janet asked.

"Not quite, my species has two main languages alongside our keeneeta," she explained, "but it seems like there are many humans who, without a shared language, have no way of understanding one another."

"So if everyone learned the same language?"

"No because you would need to learn it," Dalia pointed out, "a keeneeta is an inherent thing to the birth of a sapient species," Initially reading this seemed like them communicating internally almost in head &

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valdus t1_j9x4llr wrote

But if they had something resembling telepathy, they likely wouldn't have had to develop oral languages.

Perhaps we are weird in having external emotional expression. Perhaps a Xenkathi or Rrpktgnh cannot have an entire conversation with just facial expressions like Humans can. Maybe all the other aliens use something like purring at different frequencies as a shared language, and don't recognize our facial movements as one.

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The-1st-One t1_j9y438i wrote

Humans do have this innate language that's understandable among all Humans! I read through some of the comments posted to this excellent writing. And non of them mentioned body language. The majority of our language, like 60% of our language is expressed in body language!

This was an excellent story!

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MattrixK t1_j9yhn51 wrote

Which is unfortunate for many neurodivergent folks that have trouble with it.

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Writteninsanity t1_j9un3pq wrote

As beautiful as that is (And I might end up stealing it lol) in the story it's more a brought up thing that humans having tons of living languages and needing universal translators between one another is WEIRD.

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xylophonesRus t1_j9vgb13 wrote

So, to "keeneetaa" basically means to easily communicate?

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Writteninsanity t1_j9vgjgu wrote

Think DND “common”

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Akasto_ t1_j9vod17 wrote

That would be more of a lingua franca that needs to be learned

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Writteninsanity t1_j9vplie wrote

I don’t know, I’ve definitely talked to grass that speaks common with speak with plants before 🤣

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Mitchelltrt t1_j9yfjqu wrote

Common is a learned language, though. It is explicitly developed from a mixture of Dwarven and Human languages, originating as a pidgin trade-tongue. This is why there is the completely separate "undercommon", which developed from Dwarvish and Elvish languages (specifically the language of Dark Elves).

There are a few languages in D&D that this does qualify, though, specifically Draconic and Primordial. Dragons (and kobolds, and other dragon-related sentients) innately understand and can speak Draconic. All elemental creatures from the Inner Planes are mutually intelligible, even if they are technically divided into four varieties. Celestial and Infernal are natively understood by beings of the Higher and Lower planes, though can be learned by others (usually clerics and warlocks respectively).

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shotsallover t1_j9xswz1 wrote

I kind of took it as an urLanguage. A basic or prototype language that we're supposed to be born understanding before we learn the language of our family/people/country.

It's also what people are supposed to be talking in when you hear of "speaking in tongues." But if it were a true urLanguage we'd understand what they're saying.

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Writteninsanity t1_j9ygoah wrote

That’s a better description than the thing I’ve been doing

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shotsallover t1_ja00niq wrote

Take it. UrLanguage isn't a new concept. It's been around since at least Biblical times.

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Mad_Moodin t1_j9vza1f wrote

So our facial movements no?

Like we have pretty universal communication with pointing, smiling, snarling, crying, etc.

Oww sounds the exact same in every language.

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Writteninsanity t1_j9vzppl wrote

Oh interesting!

I imagine if we argued that to the aliens thought they’d ask us to explain how to build a plane with facial expressions. Wouldn’t go that well.

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Mad_Moodin t1_j9vzz7c wrote

Sure shit can do.

I want you to put screw somewhere. I point at the screwdriver. I point at where i want the hole to be. I make a motion of where to drill and you set out to do it.

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Writteninsanity t1_j9w5sov wrote

I’m gonna throw out that it might be underestimating planes here.

Absolutely granted you can communicate a lot with pointing and gestures, but it kinda falls apart at advanced concepts like “there is not a screw right here but here is how you could make one “

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Mad_Moodin t1_j9xcls5 wrote

It is slower than our learned language. But the aliens also used a learned language. It would take a long fucking time but could work.

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henryuuk t1_j9xu1gu wrote

Many of those gestures are still "learned" at some point in life tho

The aliens seemingly have some sort of inherent understanding of theirs from birth

Like, if you isolated one from its species from birth, it would still somehow understand the others after growing up in isolation.

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mauganra_it t1_j9xfv8x wrote

Surely that is not the expectation. We don't quite know why and how humans* developed languages, but it's safe to say we didn't have these things in mind back then.

* animals, especially birds and cetaceans might or might not have something akin to language as well.

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24111 t1_j9zfr5r wrote

The issue is even languages themselves evolve. New words created, usage changes, etc. Different languages also have different expressions, some does not neatly translate to another. Names throw another wrench in the work too.

So what defines a language as a whole? Then from a mathematical perspective, what to say you can't combine the list of expression a language has to portray a more complex concept? The whole computer is built based on basic computations, for example. A letter is a number/binary sequence, combined with encoded information/computation (the machine code to process the data and the context of the information), also under the guise of binary sequences, is capable of being rendered on the screen as pixels, or even plugged as a whole into a ML model.

Humans also have a built in process to learn how to communicate as babies. We just absorb the stuff as babies too. How would this process play in terms of a universal language?

How would you even define communicate in general too, and why the alien mentioned having three languages. What's the differences and why were they created if universal communication is already a trait?

On top of that, what's unique about a species ability to communicate via one common language? How does this communication even "work"? Vocal/sound? Visual/light? Radio waves? And not being learnt meant the information was encoded genetically as well. Having a predefined genetic information to facilitate a species wide base encoding of information doesn't seem... Natural, to say the least, when you move to non basic natural instincts information. Learning vs instinct is a fascinating concept as well (I took a somewhat philosophical ML course that touched on this, it's awesome!)

It's an interesting idea, hence why there's so many things to explore! But there's also a lot of hard questions you'd need to work out too, to make the concept work with more depth I feel.

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Kethlak t1_j9wriiw wrote

From personal experience, "Ow" does not sound the same in every language. I was working in a lab in college putting an EEG cap on a woman from Italy, another student in the lab, and I was hurting her but the noise she made to express that was not one I understood as being in pain.

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burtleburtle t1_j9vphkg wrote

So we were sentient until the tower of Babel? In this universe, did Babel definitely happen, or definitely not, or unknown?

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DrBoomkin t1_j9wss7z wrote

This could be a very interesting development, especially if "god" turns out to be an alien.

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attackula_ t1_j9wn65z wrote

This was pretty good, you're really creative! I like the attention to detail you have in your writing; things from the practiced motions Janet does when on camera to the tail thumps representing Dalia's nodding, those little touches are such a treat. I also really like the addition of the translator and how you used it to dictate the flow of the conversation; it's an interesting semi-framing device, or a double-framing device maybe, as the conversation is happening on live television. Overall, this was a great read, very entertaining. My only gripe was your use of dialogue tags; it's a bit excessive, since Janet and Dalia are the only two speaking for the majority of the scene. It's necessary when the producer chimes in, when one of the characters gestures while speaking, or when the translater is acknowledged. I'd say you should ease up on the tags when the convo is flowing back and forth between the two that are speaking. Again, I was very pleased with what you wrote. Good luck in your endeavors, from one writer to another!

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Warior4356 t1_j9whlkv wrote

Ah but there is a single universal language for humans. A single tongue all speak and understand, from the day they are born to the day they die. Sure, nuance to this tongue might come with age, but it’s understood as clearly as hunger or thirst.

Violence.

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Writteninsanity t1_j9wxuny wrote

Nobody calls you sapient until you punch them in the face...

In all seriousness, I steered away from a lot of that because I tend to get exhausted about the amount of sci-fi that potrays aspects of humanity as uniquely hyperviolent. Sure we engage with violence, but I really don't think it's one of the things we want to define our species by.

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StubbornKindness t1_j9vtfmf wrote

Has this always been your username? I swear your name had Jackson in it the first time I read a story of yours. Its been so long tho I couldnt remember what your sub was called, and after having loads of reddit issues, I couldn't fucking find it. Happy to read this because awesome. Also happy to read this because I found your sub again

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Writteninsanity t1_j9vw5z8 wrote

Awww thanks!

And yep this has been my user for over 10 years (yikes) the Subreddit just uses my given name :)

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LeviAEthan512 t1_j9xdz0m wrote

I feel thr same thing as r/gifsthatendtoosoon. Dude we were right at the climax! I totally thought the loss of translation was gonna force a display of the beginning of a natural universal language in an attempt to be understood

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Hminney t1_j9vujcd wrote

Fantastic! I'll follow your writing

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Neo_Ex0 t1_j9wbsgw wrote

Well, Mabey there is more to the story of the tower of Babel then we thought

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catfishanger t1_j9vt9w8 wrote

I'm glad to know you'll be following up on this in your sub.

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DangerMacAwesome t1_j9x41x8 wrote

I really like this idea and I'd love to know how the aliens would treat the "tower of babel"

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sandokas t1_j9xtypf wrote

We do have keeneeta, it's called body language.

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_blackdog6_ t1_j9xlasm wrote

sapient.. lol

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Writteninsanity t1_j9xldku wrote

Hey, dogs are sentient. Had to raise the bar a little

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_blackdog6_ t1_j9xm1l9 wrote

I just realised sapient has a definition - _attempting to appear wise_ and has _sensible_ as a synonym. I guess its appropriate that the aliens have decided we might be sensible...

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PresumedSapient t1_j9xpxmt wrote

It's one of those words without single definition, it can change depending on usage and context.

Sentient vs sapient in science fiction is (very roughly) 'able to feel/sense/observe' vs 'capable of self awareness and abstract thought'.

In other usage sapient can both mean 'wise' and its 'attempting to appear wise', which can lead to hilarious misunderstanding depending on who makes the claim or accusation.

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Futatossout t1_j9yfqe1 wrote

I like the term 'Sophont' for the general 'is this a reasoning being?' term because sapient/sapience is human-centric and xenointelligences would have their own 'person-like' analogue.

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