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HighVulgarian t1_j350g5g wrote

Illegal search and seizure all for “safety”. On the plus side, they’ve solved all the other crimes in the area

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sloppyredditor t1_j36bxq4 wrote

Lot of people cutting you down but I understand where you’re coming from. It all goes back to driving being a privilege, not a right.

That very specific differentiation seems to have been forgotten.

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spitfish t1_j36nhyl wrote

> It all goes back to driving being a privilege, not a right.

Very true, but the only issue with this is that American cities are built around vehicles, not pedestrians. You're screwed if you lose access to a vehicle.

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sloppyredditor t1_j36tkuc wrote

I'd love to see a more bicycle-friendly infrastructure like the Netherlands.

The response to the "I'm screwed if they take away my license/vehicle" is "Drive safely and they won't," and honestly I'm OK with that.

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Loon013 t1_j38a6q1 wrote

How about taking away one's right to drink instead of one's right to drive? The right to drink is almost never questioned. How many lives could be changed by prohibiting alcohol consumption for just 30 days.

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Horknut1 t1_j37opjx wrote

I don’t understand this comment. Drunk drivers should be allowed because it would be detrimental if they lost access to a vehicle?

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spitfish t1_j37plfc wrote

It's more commentary that we need to improve our public transportation. Everything is centered around using a vehicle to travel long distances for work, food, & entertainment.

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Horknut1 t1_j37xuq8 wrote

I think that’s a fair statement… I just don’t think it has anything to do with the enforcement of DUI laws.

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wsdog t1_j36rmxm wrote

Fully agree. Transportation is a human right. This should be codified.

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mattgm1995 t1_j35u51a wrote

Pro-DUI is a wild stance

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HighVulgarian t1_j35wh93 wrote

By that logic the government would be right to confiscate guns in the interest of keeping everyone safe. It’s a violation of personal liberty, I don’t want to be harassed when I’m driving sober and safely

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mattgm1995 t1_j35xbp0 wrote

By driving on public roads you choose to abide by certain conditions. If you don’t want to, don’t use the roads. Be a homesteader. No one has made you participate in our society

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HighVulgarian t1_j37k9mh wrote

“Our society”

Holy shit, I’ve only heard racists/bigots use that phrase in that context. It’s messed up that you would so readily go there. I’m blocking you for that reason, you don’t deserve to be heard.

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GoblinBags t1_j37hc4b wrote

Are people who have a problem with the police saying they don't want any police at all? Are people who think police are too often violent trying to say that cops should never, ever use force?

Disliking the methodology of catching more OUI drivers isn't the same as being pro driving under the influence.

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largomargo t1_j3520d1 wrote

When you get to drive, you consent to be stopped for things like this. Nothing illegal at all.

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HighVulgarian t1_j3526wk wrote

You got a source for that?

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Dwm182 t1_j35gc6f wrote

State Police Michigan vs. sitz. Supreme court case on constitutionality of sobriety check point.

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HighVulgarian t1_j35jf96 wrote

Thank you. That is very disheartening

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Dwm182 t1_j35lf50 wrote

So basically, keeping the roads safe does infringe on our 4th amendment rights. However, the benefit of road safety does, per court, outweigh the cost to freedom. In addition, to offset the infringement of our rights, police must post notice of date and time, and very, very vague location of where the checkpoint will be (i.e. Worcester county; and not in front of dunks on park Ave)

I'm a civil libertarian and this shit burns me up.

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HighVulgarian t1_j35mavr wrote

I’m now curious as to what percentage of people detained at these checkpoints result in arrest for DWI. My guess is less than 5%

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wsdog t1_j36ry5r wrote

Yeap, this is very sad. For some reason everyone has a right to have a metal thing that shoots bullets, but driving another metal thing that just gets you from A to B is a privilege.

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largomargo t1_j35ff8j wrote

Yeah, drivers ed, the rmv, and a bunch of state laws you chucklehead

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HighVulgarian t1_j35gax6 wrote

So no source. OK bootlicker

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GoblinBags t1_j37i7w9 wrote

A simple Google search gave me this as the top answer to whether or not a DUI checkpoint is legal in MA: https://www.massdefense.com/what-are-your-rights-at-a-dui-checkpoint/#:~:text=Like%20it%20or%20not%2C%20sobriety,as%20well%20as%20interview%20you.

It's legal. People might not like it and I'd argue it's a chance for cops to be unnecessary dickheads, but it's 100% legal and it's asinine to pretend it isn't. I can't believe you demanded a source for something so inherently easy to look up and then call folks a bootlicker for being incredulous that you think such a common practice is illegal.

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