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SpunkyRadcat t1_j6efnw5 wrote

Reply to comment by ImAnIdeaMan in Mt. Tahoma. Photo taken at the Nisqually Reach Nature Center. by Brickmat

The original name is better and it should be changed back. A name that means, "Mother of all waters" vs, being named after a man who fought against the US in the Revolutionary War.

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blanston t1_j6ermip wrote

It’s not necessarily the original name but an earlier name. It was likely called many things by various people and tribes over the centuries. Tahoma is just the anglicized name of what one group called it at the time Europeans arrived.

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SpunkyRadcat t1_j6eu9ch wrote

You're not technically wrong, but still, it minimizes the fact a bunch of random people showed up said, "This is our land now, we're renaming everything, banning your language and culture, and removing you from your land."

I think it's important to recognize the injustice of it all, and calling it Tahoma is a small nod to that.

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ImAnIdeaMan t1_j6ejbza wrote

Honestly no one would ever even know who that man is except for the people who complain that it was named after him, so that’s some Streisand Effect for you. But, for me and surely 99.99% of other people in the region, Rainier just means a gorgeous mountain and gorgeous area with an enormous amount of fun things to do and great memories, so personally I wouldn’t want it changed just because some people want to copy Denali’s/Mt McKinley’s footsteps, which is again a completely different situation because the people in that area actually only called it Denali for more than 100 years if I remember correctly.

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SpunkyRadcat t1_j6eksvm wrote

Rainier or Tahoma, means the same thing when it comes to simply describing it as a gorgeous mountain with fun things to do. Also, a lot natives still call it Tahoma.

If anything calling it Tahoma makes it more beautiful because we are acknowledging the history of the area instead of some random dude some explorer liked.

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yeah_oui t1_j6eqrg7 wrote

Natives have been here for several hundred years, and they call it Tahoma. History didn't start when the white guys showed up

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Walter-MarkItZero t1_j6gjw4j wrote

Some of the natives. It wasn’t unanimous yet somehow one tribe wins out over the others.

Sort of like when it was named Rainier.

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yeah_oui t1_j6gkqk2 wrote

While it isn't unanimous between the tribes, it shouldnt be named after the white guy who "discovered" it.

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Walter-MarkItZero t1_j6gkx6z wrote

Why not? It’s been in popular and accepted use for more than 100 years. There’s no need to change to what it was “originally” when there ISN’T a single name it was originally.

Rainier is just fine.

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yeah_oui t1_j6glsus wrote

Because it wasnt discovered by him? What does popular even mean? It's the official name given by the government

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Walter-MarkItZero t1_j6gly69 wrote

It’s the name everyone uses. It’s known worldwide as Mt Rainier. “Popular use” isn’t a big mystery.

There’s no need to change it except anti-White bigotry.

This is what happens when someone invades the Reddit echo chamber. You seem shocked someone would disagree with you. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who are just fucking tired with the constant effort to shit on everything.

Leave Rainier alone.

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yeah_oui t1_j6gmzoj wrote

>There’s no need to change it except anti-White bigotry.

Ah, got it. I'd love to hear your take on the US military renaming bases that we're named after confederate generals.

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NovaBlazer t1_j6gyo6l wrote

>History didn't start when the white guys showed up

Sure didn't. But putting names on maps did! 🤪

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Walter-MarkItZero t1_j6iv1ua wrote

Fun fact: the Puyallup tribal alphabet wasn’t created until the mid 1800’s and was not finalized until around 1970.

So any spelling of “Tahoma” would, by necessity, be using a tribal written language that didn’t even exist when Rainier was named.

While we are busy bashing western civilization for every evil under the sun, let’s maybe stop and think about how useful English is.

Another fun fact: the Yakama tribe changed names a few years back. The tribe did not have a written language and there were several copies of the treaty. Some spelled it “Yakima”, some spelled it “Yakama.” For almost 100 years everyone was fine with Yakima, until the tribe decided it needed to be changed. The city basically said do whatever you want, we’re good. That’s why they are spelled differently.

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6ekurb wrote

Lol, you don’t even know who he his yet you’re defending whitewashing native culture to honor him?

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ImAnIdeaMan t1_j6eqn65 wrote

> to honor him

No, it has nothing to do with him. Again you’re the only people who bring him up.

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DerrikeCope t1_j6emr1a wrote

You are correct. No one calls it Tahoma, except Internet SJWs.

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6en596 wrote

Nope, actually plenty of people call it the proper name irl. Especially younger people who look down on whitewashing cultural history.

Not everyone is cool with cultural erasure.

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DerrikeCope t1_j6epp2o wrote

Born and lived 52 years in Tacoma (I'm sorry, should I say təqʷuʔməʔ). Have 2 "younger" woke kids educated by the Public Schools. Literally no one, even them, calls it Tahoma outside of you keyboard warriors.

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6erdkq wrote

Lol, have you ever considered that you and your children are in fact not wholly representative of the state? Or did that just never cross your mind. Your generation is plagued with racism, so guess what, they’re more than a bit biased.

Lol, instead of actually offering a coherent counterpoint to why it is not racism they blocked me. I wonder why?

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tnakahara t1_j6ev8jl wrote

And you are the "representative of the State"?

Guaranteed if you go outside of the King/Pierce/Snohomish SJW dominated metroplex and you say the name "Tahoma", people are going to think "Toyota Pickup"

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DerrikeCope t1_j6eul92 wrote

Oh, here comes the "racist" accusation. Typical. Good day. Blocked.

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KeeganUniverse t1_j6f0o30 wrote

I’m 33; I learned the name Tahoma when I was young, and not from the internet. There are a lot of people that know its previous name.

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tnakahara t1_j6eveot wrote

Here we go again.....

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6evx4i wrote

It’s almost like this is an important and ongoing conversation that needs to be had…

And the pickup is Tacoma hun

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tnakahara t1_j6ew0xs wrote

Yep...See how ridiculous this is?

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6ewfda wrote

Nope. People fought for decades to rename Denali, and now it is recognized as such by the Department of the Interior.

What is ridiculous is the number of people who are ok with cultural erasure to honor a man who fought against the founding of the US…

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tnakahara t1_j6ey8zh wrote

You people are insufferable.... Should we also change the name(s) of Vancouver? Whidbey Island? Puget Sound (oh you probably prefer the equally ridiculous "Salish Sea")

The list goes on and on. And on.... At what point do you and your SJW cohorts become satisfied? When NOTHING has a name? Because I am CERTAIN the people that were here before the Lushootseed called it something else. As did the people who were here before them...

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kulkulkaan t1_j6f86ux wrote

I just like the sound of the words better. Rainier sounds sneery and mean to me and Salish Sea is a million times more poetic and fun to say than Puget Sound. Tahoma is also easy to say and unique to here, unlike Rainier.

Probably some of the more difficult to pronounce in English places will never change so you'll have that.

Also, some places are confusing, such as all the Marginal Ways in Seattle. I would like those to get new names too. We could even vote democratically on them.

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6eywyi wrote

Why would you have a problem renaming them?

I can think of a reason…

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tnakahara t1_j6ezw2n wrote

Im on pins and needles....Do tell....Oh wait...is it...

RACISIM-REEEEEE!!!!

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6f02b9 wrote

Well I have yet to see a SINGLE one of you people actually convey a sound and rationale argument…

So it the shoe fits…

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tnakahara t1_j6f4c9e wrote

1st - us normies (non SJW types) don't care any longer if you call us "racist". You all have removed the venom of that word with over use.

You know very little about me - and if you think I'm a "racist" because of our brief and (after point 2) terminated interaction, then you prove my point.

Point 2 - Do you not understand you (because of your SJW blinders) are UNABLE to recognize ANY "rationale (sic) argument"? Nothing short of white/patriarchy erasure is enough for you.

Go tilt at windmills elsewhere.

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6f8lyl wrote

Actually most decent people do care about being called racist, you’re further proving me right…

If anything that would be true for your SJW use… fighting for social justice isn’t something anyone is ashamed of.

And it’s adorable to claim I don’t understand any rationale after completing and wholly failing to make any…

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KeeganUniverse t1_j6f1993 wrote

So what is the basis of this disturbing you so much? Why can’t the name be changed if you say it’s been called something else before Tahoma. Seems like you really care.

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tnakahara t1_j6f4snr wrote

I DON'T care - name it Candy Nipples Shoots Fire.

What I do care about is the idiocy and virtue signalling of SJWs with the holier than thou tut tutting.

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KeeganUniverse t1_j6fzkhl wrote

Literally these “SJWs” are doing nothing but refer to it as Tahoma. Meanwhile the true snowflakes are throwing a hissy fit about it.

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LydJaGillers t1_j6fw0wc wrote

And they live in a state NAMED AFTER THE FIRST PRESIDENT. They don’t see or what to see the irony of honoring a traitor in this state. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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rosesandpiglets t1_j6fxf4e wrote

I would say it is hilarious… but honestly it’s more concerning than it is funny

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