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factotvm OP t1_j0zltgk wrote

Reply to comment by playfulmessenger in It is 7:34 in the morning the day before the winter solstice. Look outside right now, and know that if we did “Daylight Saving” time year round, it would be 8:34. by factotvm

We did permanent daylight saving time in the 1970s, and it was a disaster. It turns out a snap public opinion isn’t the best way to determine the right thing to do.

When we say “noon”, it means something. Don’t change that, but instead change the time we do things. The result is the same, but the connection to the sun is maintained.

It would be akin to folks saying it’s too cold in the winter, so lets shift the temperature by 10 degrees.

Everyone that says, “but I get out of work too late,” is missing the point. I don’t know why changing the hours we open an office is seen as harder than changing the clocks on the wall. Start with schools and the government. Summer hours are already a thing.

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Ma1eficent t1_j0zrn18 wrote

You already lost. We already voted. Just has to pass the house now, it has passed every other check. The only reason it didn't go great in 74 is too early school start times, and those are now later in most places, and easy to make later where they aren't. Give it up.

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playfulmessenger t1_j0zqnma wrote

So you hate democracy and want to impose your "correct" will on all of PST who already voted on what they want? Did you really just propose that? I don't think you want to assign yourself time dictator and try to overtake the world, right? Surely something is being lost in transition?

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factotvm OP t1_j0zsncc wrote

Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others.

If I were hoping to be a dictator, why would I try and sway public opinion on Reddit? My hope is to remind folks that they’re about to repeat the same mistake 50 years later. The beauty of clocks (and “clockwise”) is our Sol. If humans embrace the heavens, instead of thinking we control it, we will reconnect with nature.

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bwaibel t1_j108j8r wrote

Solar noon is almost never at noon. If we were to follow your logic we’d have a different time at every point on earth. Instead we made an approximation that tends to work ok, it’s better than the same time everywhere I think.

In the end which time slot you’re in just barely matters. What matters is that it’s totally ridiculous to shift the slot twice a year. If people want solar noon at 12:45 instead of 11:45 it makes no difference. Permanent DST is nice on the west coast because it puts the whole country on a tighter clock. I think that’s a material benefit that far outweighs the ridiculous argument you’re making about the definition of the word meridian.

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CheckmateApostates t1_j12fdnb wrote

Right, solar noon fluctuates throughout the year and is only at 12 pm close to the eastern edge of a time zone. We have solar noon at noon in Spokane during half the year, whereas everyone else comes later.

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bwaibel t1_j12vtem wrote

Right, so your point is that if solar noon was on the west side of a time zone it would be a disaster? If you were on the same time as your neighbors in Montana and southern Idaho then all hell would break loose?

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CheckmateApostates t1_j131ii2 wrote

No, I was agreeing with your reply. A lot of these "solar noon is 12 pm" people don't seem to understand that, though. It's just weird how if I go to Missoula and gain an hour on the clock but only like 15 minutes of real time with respect to sunset, I'm not suddenly at risk of my heart exploding or any of those other nonsense things that anti-DST people argue.

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bwaibel t1_j14alfl wrote

Sorry, I thought you were OP. Must be a case of late night Reddit syndrome.

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AdventureBum t1_j11lw29 wrote

> If humans embrace the heavens, instead of thinking we control it, we will reconnect with nature.

You mean like not changing our clocks twice a year and sticking with a consistent, more natural timeframe?

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Rocketgirl8097 t1_j12a3pl wrote

Because then the extra daylight is meaningless since you will also have to work later.

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