Babhadfad12 t1_ixa4g0l wrote
Reply to comment by Uncoolx2 in WA Patient Dies in Understaffed ER Lobby, County Council Pens Letter of "Disappointment" by vegetefubberyhi01
Even $30/hour is not enough when WA minimum salary is $65k in 2023.
Uncoolx2 t1_ixa5t0b wrote
Washington State minimum wage for 2023 is $15.74/hour × 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = 32,739.20/year.
Now, I will argue that $20/hour isn't going to be a good pull for NACs when Walmart or McDonald's are offering the same.
But I have no idea from which orifice your number was produced.
Babhadfad12 t1_ixa66qn wrote
https://www.lni.wa.gov/forms-publications/F700-207-000.pdf
Working in a hospital, especially patient facing role, is not comparable to a retail or fast food or hospitality job that one can do in their spare time during the week.
I assume the people we want as nurses and NAC are more career minded, not to mention the higher stress working environments and odd hours, nights, weekends, and holidays. So presumably, those people are weighing their options at finding a nice salaried job for $65k, or working in a hospital for $20 to $30 per hour.
And if we are not going to pay them more than a standard salaried office 8 to 5 Mon to Fri job, then watch all the better workers go do that.
Uncoolx2 t1_ixa82ve wrote
That is the minimum salary threshold for employees to be exempt from overtime pay.
If you take a job that pays the exempt salary, you can damn well guarantee you will be working overtime. Positions like that have shit like 6 day requirements or 50 hour requirements.
If you are not overtime exempt, the actual minimum salary is minimum wage × 40 hours per week, and all time over 40 hours is paid as overtime.
So, for nurses, this is a DNS/DON type salary where they are on-call 24/7 for their job.
Though, smart nurses set up their contract that they get an hourly rate for covering thr floor.
wolf1moon t1_ixapb84 wrote
When the state changed what are exempt roles, some of my dad's colleagues became hourly and made absolute bank in overtime. Overtime is how cops make so much money (some over $300k)
Uncoolx2 t1_ixaxef6 wrote
And overtime exempt salary positions is how you bilk the same people out of tons of overtime pay.
At a minimum wage of $15.74/hour a person would have to work over 26 hours a week in overtime to meet the exempt rate.
Babhadfad12 t1_ixa92yw wrote
> If you take a job that pays the exempt salary, you can damn well guarantee you will be working overtime. Positions like that have shit like 6 day requirements or 50 hour requirements.
Not in my experience. Lots of white collar office or government type jobs do not require more than 40 hours per week. Hell, if you count the time people spend on Reddit, they are probably 30 hour per week jobs.
Either way the lack of people jumping up and down to become nurses or nursing assistants is all the proof that whatever the pay is or was is not enough comparable to that of other options in the market.
wolf1moon t1_ixaozyl wrote
It really depends. Usually there are busy times and slack times. In tech, if you're only doing 30, that just means you're a slacker.
Uncoolx2 t1_ixacsp1 wrote
I would question how many of the jobs your mention here are the minimum exempt salary versus just being above the minimum salary.
"In my experience" people receiving salary are usually management or administration. Retail managers, HR, administrators, assistant administrators, etc.
These would be the majority of the workers covered by this, a lot closer to blue collar with a white clip.
tamarlk t1_ixabj2v wrote
Bah I wish is was that much. Not even close.
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