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NumerousAbility2332 t1_iv6snx8 wrote

I'm all for radiant floor heat and heat-pumps in new homes, and I own an electric car. But JFC. we'll never get over our addiction to bonneville dam will we. salmon always come last. how about we focus on building industrial scale solar in eastern WA first before pointless mandates. next it will be "no more cooking with gas". the way they'll accomplish that is through the home insurance industry. and then once every single thing is electric, and they can control your home over the internet, the "limits" will start. "no keeping your house over 68 degrees in the winter".

"there's only so much clean energy to go around ya know". okay, fine. BUILD some. I see a lot of mandates and virtue signalling about sustainable energy, but strangely not a lot of of actual building of sustainable energy generation. "But we have bonneville!" Yes, and we also used to have a columbia basin ecosystem capable of feeding millions of people with salmon runs.

"take down dams!"....."oh wait no, don't take down dams we need them!"

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shaggy908 t1_iv79843 wrote

I thought we were talking about heat pumps.

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darlantan t1_iv8aea0 wrote

> how about we focus on building industrial scale solar in eastern WA first before pointless mandates

Heat pumps are so absurdly efficient that this is still a step in the right direction. A good heat pump install can move 3-4x the heat per watt that a resistance-based heater will make, and there are parts of WA where the climate is damn near ideal for them.

We can do two things at once, and since this is a mandate that doesn't actually require that the state do much, it makes perfect fucking sense to do it while prioritizing other initiatives as well.

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Byeuji t1_iv7pe0h wrote

Chasing growing electric demands and reducing reliance on fossil fuel in the consumer sector can be solved separately and simultaneously.

Just because this will put more demand on the electrical grid doesn't mean that energy can't come from sources other than the dam (including fossil fuels).

This move just centralizes the energy production to the electric grid, so that any source of energy can power it, rather than only fossil fuels.

They will use natural gas to power these homes too, but it'll be more efficient and safer than transporting gas to the last mile and burning it on site. And when the grid has other energy sources ready to handle the demand, the fossil fuel sources can be retired.

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Rocketgirl8097 t1_iv7agsz wrote

Find a replacement for dams...

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Rich-Juice2517 t1_iv7e011 wrote

There was going to be nuclear but they killed the satsop plant by Elma

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[deleted] t1_iv7fcjs wrote

wasn't that killed by the investors for the simple reason of "it isn't going to be profitable enough"?

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Rich-Juice2517 t1_iv7fpm5 wrote

Basically. Only the second one was turned on. Now it's an overstock call center and business park. You can do photoshoots there though

Edit yeah. 1983 it was drowning in debt and it was too expensive to tear it down

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Lost_Conversation546 t1_iv7qq19 wrote

The company couldn’t afford to finish them, they were never functional. The cooling towers are the only finished part, they never finished construction on the actual power plant.

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Rich-Juice2517 t1_iv7qu8u wrote

Ah i had read wnp-2 was functional

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Lost_Conversation546 t1_iv99btx wrote

I grew up in grays harbor, my grandpa actually was a laborer on one of them before they stopped construction in the early 80s. I don’t think you can walk into the cooling towers anymore I think they put a fence up, but I loved doing that as a kid.

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RainCityRogue t1_iv86y2k wrote

There are plans for a nuclear plant to come online at Hanford in the next decadd

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burneracct664453 t1_ivb2tei wrote

It was the result of one of the largest bond defaults in history, and we are all as ratepayers still servicing that debt. A boondoggle of epic proportions and basically a theft from all of us in the region-

https://www.historylink.org/File/5482

We have better ways to generate power than massive nuc projects, renewables are far cheaper and the storage issue can be solved on the same scale without the waste.

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Simius t1_iv8ctur wrote

“If we do one reasonable thing it will lead to mass control by government”

Chill the fuck out

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Googunk t1_ivat6kk wrote

I have never before seen someone politically opposed to the invention of electricity.

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doncastiglionejr t1_iv8hbif wrote

You know they can control your gas from the internet right ? All these years they have been installing new meters and street pumps..what do you think that does? So that point isn't necessarily correct

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bdevel t1_ivantt7 wrote

Even cooking with gas is outdated. Modern induction cooktops heat much faster, are responsive to temp changes. They only heat the pot instead of the air around it. Gas can light cooking oil so it is a fire hazard. Also, burning gas in your house releases toxic emissions. You wouldn't run your car in your house.

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