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Unique_Engineering_3 t1_jdnknl6 wrote

Reply to comment by UncommonSense12345 in Washington Supreme Court upholds new capital gains tax by Bozzooo

> This tax will have its threshold lowerred gradually. Always happens. Gov uses rich as boogeyman to get tax passed, then over time makes the tax more and more broad. This tax will have an effect on a lot of people who you and me would say are well off but certainly not rich rich. People who have owned small businesses for their whole careers and sell them for their retirement will now be hit with an additional 7% tax…. that is theft

Standard issue tax scare tactics that many libertarians have bought into wholesale and blindly.

The wealthy have been very good at scaring the lower classes into thinking that they’ll be impacted by tax increases that specifically target the wealthy.

Honestly, I’m impressed with how effective the wealthy have been at selling this narrative to people that will never be impacted

For example, family businesses are specifically exempted—but you’re arguing like they’re not.

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UncommonSense12345 t1_jdnm44m wrote

Exempted for now…. And let’s revisit this in 2 years time. We will see who is right. Why can’t government just spend within their means ?

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Unique_Engineering_3 t1_jdnmpuz wrote

> Exempted for now…. And let’s revisit this in 2 years time. We will see who is right. Why can’t government just spend within their means ?

Again… standard issue libertarian taxes are theft arguments.

They’re stealing your money and wasting it on things you don’t like! But don’t worry, things you do like don’t count. And don’t forget—taxes on the wealthy are something your going to pay too—someday, maybe.

Hopefully you’ve never taken any school grants or educational payoffs because that would be a bit hypocritical to complain about government “theft” and also take it when it benefits you, u/UncommonSense12345.

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UncommonSense12345 t1_jdnobzu wrote

Well I have paid my way through both undergrad and grad school. I don’t get why you are slamming me so hard for critiquing the state for not following its own constitution and the precedent of 49 other states, the irs, and most other countries on earth. Capital gains taxes = income taxes, which are outlawed by the WA state constitution. Please look it up and see it for yourself. This is a favorite thing of the dems of this state to ignore the constitution if it is for things they don’t like (conservatives do this to, still wrong when they do it as well). Not sure their is much to argue here.

Edit: since you are so concerned with my finances, I used my own money, merit based aid, and private loans (non subsidized) so there you go. I do practice what I preach, and I will not be filling for student loan forgiveness, I will pay the debt I signed up for, other people should not subsidize my debt just like how I shouldn’t theirs.

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Unique_Engineering_3 t1_jdnpy07 wrote

> Well I have paid my way through both undergrad and grad school. I don’t get why you are slamming me so hard for critiquing the state for not following its own constitution and the precedent of 49 other states, the irs, and most other countries on earth. Capital gains taxes = income taxes, which are outlawed by the WA state constitution. Please look it up and see it for yourself. This is a favorite thing of the dems of this state to ignore the constitution if it is for things they don’t like (conservatives do this to, still wrong when they do it as well). Not sure their is much to argue here.

I’m not slamming you, I’m just not accepting your comments unchallenged.

Your comments follow libertarian talking points near 1:1, I have no idea if you consider yourself a libertarian or not. It just that they talking points are easy to recognize wherever you sourced them from.

As for school, I have no idea if you went to college or how you paid for it. If you went to school and didn’t have family money paying your way (and good for you if you did!), I based my comment on most people using federally subsidized loans when they do from that “all taxes are theft” money.

And I don’t know if you got grants or loan forgiveness for your schooling costs based on qualifying for some tax payer funded program or not. But most people who do benefit from such government programs do from that “all taxes are theft” money.

Libertarian logic tends to excluded “all taxes are theft” logic for popular programs and instead spend a lot of time pointing out unpopular elements with their core audience. This creates division effect among people that have more in common with each other than not. Then they align aspirations with things that benefit a group that must will never be a part of.

Again, I don’t know if you’ve accepted government money to pay off your schooling. I am saying that doing so is inconsistent with “all taxes are theft” thinking unless your okay with taking stolen property if it benefits you.

As I said, none of this it was based on you as a individual because I don’t know you as a individual. I addressed the most common pattern—and you recognized elements that seemed to resonate with your situation and then thought I was putting you in blast.

Again, I was challenging your concepts because they were not unique to you.

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UncommonSense12345 t1_jdnqef3 wrote

Fair enough. But have you looked into the constitutionality of the new income tax? It is concerning when the state and courts both ignore the constitution, no? What will you say when politicians who you don’t align with start ignoring the constitution? Will it matter then? I think lots of people don’t understand how dangerous it is to have a one party system that ignores the rule of law….

Today they came for my enemy I said nothing, tomorrow they may come for my friend, and the next day for me… most people don’t get the concept that abridgments of the law and your constitutional rights is something that should be VERY VERY alarming to everyone….

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Unique_Engineering_3 t1_jdns09l wrote

I’m aware of the WA constitution arguments, I’m not sure they’re accurate here. The SCoWA ruling appears to indicate the judges didn’t think it was valid in this case on this topic.

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UncommonSense12345 t1_jdns7h6 wrote

How is a capital gains tax not a tax on income? The irs has ruled it to be so, along with every other state…. It’s political pretzel twisting to get a tax they want passed regardless of whether it is legal or not

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Unique_Engineering_3 t1_jdnsxiz wrote

My basic understanding is that the SCoWA ruling determined that The tax is a excise on the sale capital assets and not the assets or gains themselves.

Basically it’s effect is the sand as a capital gains tax but it’s a excise tax—on capital gains.

For ≈1000 people in this state, that subtle difference matters. For everyone else… it’s business as usual.

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