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SyndicatePlus t1_j6glm4u wrote

Now if we can just get Zoolander's Blue Steel, we'll be set.

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AverageOccidental t1_j6hx0fx wrote

Second zoolander reference I see in 10 minutes. What did I miss in the public zeitgeist?

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Wholesale100Acc t1_j6hxxml wrote

i think zoolander is becoming the next patrick bateman/gigachad, which is honestly deserved tbh

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flippythemaster t1_j6k5ymt wrote

There’s a meme based on the first scene where he and Hansel see each other at the awards ceremony so I guess it’s just on people’s minds

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DFuel t1_j6gvv64 wrote

97% of steel by product is recycled so it's interesting to see it taken even further

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PaulThePaul t1_j6hwj0v wrote

The problem is meltig steel even if its recycled needs very high temperature. And these temperatures are mostly generated by coal as far as I know.

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BoyInBath t1_j6i1aj2 wrote

Electric forges are theoretically possible at the size and scale needed, but the energy to use them is not cost effective, sadly.

Hydrogen... Maybe - but like most eco solutions, they're not as energy dense, or as cheap as existing fossil solutions.

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Mayor__Defacto t1_j6ls01o wrote

What? Electric Arc Furnaces are the main way of recycling steel lol, that’s Nucor’s whole business. Most profitable steel company in the world.

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the_other_jeremy t1_j6n8i17 wrote

This right here. Worked at one of their Arkansas plants two years ago and generally speaking there are some opinions on "green steel."

Oftentimes the impact of green steels like the newer hydrogen process is higher than using DRI and an EAF. People just don't wanna hear that yet.

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daikael t1_j6im40i wrote

Yeah, I believe that this is using a new method that was developed in the UK that removes the need for coal coke? Saw it a few weeks back in r/futurology but didnt actually read the paper.

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xxFrenchToastxx t1_j6hfyfx wrote

https://www.thyssenkrupp-steel.com/en/company/sustainability/climate-strategy/

thyssenkrupp is investing almost 2 billion euro in hydrogen based steel production

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Pafkay t1_j6hhwbp wrote

I never understand this, 95% of H2 is currently made from fossil fuels, so this sounds more like greenwashing than anything else. I read about this the other day where Birmingham university have found away to drop steel making CO2 emissions by 90%

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Ok_Champion6840 OP t1_j6ifvqx wrote

This has nothing to do with hydrogen production. It’s an electric furnace for smelting iron in to steel.

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Pafkay t1_j6ii9fv wrote

> thyssenkrupp is investing almost 2 billion euro in hydrogen based steel production

From the post I replied to or did you not read that part?

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Ok_Champion6840 OP t1_j6ija5j wrote

No, I didn’t see this was a reply to someone else. Not sure why it showed up for me.

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Pafkay t1_j6ijfhc wrote

Meh it happens, reddit is funny sometimes :)

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Inariameme t1_j6h3yzr wrote

put the ore in a box and electrocute it

still, this is a shitty headline

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youself20 t1_j6h3sla wrote

Never heard of this before, what is “green steel”?

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AaronDoggers t1_j6h62v6 wrote

Steel made without coking coal

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pumpkin_fire t1_j6hdhhi wrote

Nor natural gas, which is the route a lot of the European Steelmakers, Acelor Mittal included, have recently announced. Natural gas DRI is around 0.8 t CO2 per tonne of steel Vs 1.8-2.2t CO2 per tonne of steel for coke.

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MrAkaziel t1_j6hc6ro wrote

The article is pretty vague about the process, but it sounds like something close to existing electric arc furnaces. It's unclear by the way the wording what the difference between EAF and that new tech is.

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pumpkin_fire t1_j6hdald wrote

Nah, EAFs mostly melt scrap steel. Maybe some DRI as well. But are incapable of chemically reducing the iron ore to elemental iron.

Boston Melts claims to have developed a process that allows direct electrolysis of iron ore fines into elemental iron, so that the reduction and the refining to steel all happen in the one vessel. Oftentimes, electrolysis of metals involves a carbon anode that still releases CO2 - this is how almost all aluminium is produced. Crucially, Boston Metals claim to have invented an inert anode that doesn't release any CO2.

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_j6hc7w6 wrote

Electric arc furnace

>An electric arc furnace (EAF) is a furnace that heats material by means of an electric arc. Industrial arc furnaces range in size from small units of approximately one-tonne capacity (used in foundries for producing cast iron products) up to about 400-tonne units used for secondary steelmaking. Arc furnaces used in research laboratories and by dentists may have a capacity of only a few dozen grams. Industrial electric arc furnace temperatures can reach 1,800 °C (3,300 °F), while laboratory units can exceed 3,000 °C (5,400 °F).

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UndeadBBQ t1_j6ig8rc wrote

Immediate green coal flashbacks.

At least this sounds like something that could actually work.

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meseeksordie t1_j6je4zn wrote

Where the fuck is our 120 million bail out at? I understand this isn't a bail out but WTF?

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lemmeeatyourass t1_j6kkb2q wrote

We don’t need money being invested into these processes yet. The generation of energy is the thing that is stopping further advancement in green technology. Without cheaper ways to generate electricity and distribute it these funds are pandering to the general public.

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Ok_Champion6840 OP t1_j6kl2x9 wrote

Progress on renewable energy generation is happening in a dramatic way. It is also important to prove out how existing manufacturing can take advantage of electricity as the power source rather than direct burning of fossil fuels by industry.

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lemmeeatyourass t1_j6klofg wrote

It’s not really, the process to create the material is still behind from the actual generation. Solar wind and hydro are making great strides in terms of Watts and consistency. But the end result as in storage is still also behind. We can create ways to make steel factories use green energy to heat the steel but from what I see in the power industry it’s very costly to set it up.

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Ok_Champion6840 OP t1_j6knmb5 wrote

It is extremely expensive to redesign an industrial scale process like steel making which consumes acres, possibly hundreds of acres of plant space, has logistics like rail access or shipping, mountains of coal ready to be consumed as fuel or massive pipelines of natural gas.

Gotta start somewhere.

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petershrimp t1_j6n6lgl wrote

They could have just bought a can of green paint. /s

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GreatRyujin t1_j6hty3v wrote

Is this actually something feasible or another catastrophe like clean coal?

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jnystrom t1_j6jurlg wrote

We do this in Sweden already. Kind of. Look up LKAB HYBRIT

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RandoRoc t1_j6iiazr wrote

My understanding is that this has to do with the technique to make steel, so the product at the end is the same, but coal isn’t being used to produce it. The clean coal thing was a bit goofy where they were claiming a different end product (if I’m not mistaken it had to do with sulfur content, which is a cause of acid rain) but yeah, burning the coal itself is still going to produce a lot of greenhouse gases that are responsible for climate change/ global warming.

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Sebulano t1_j6ipjyl wrote

That covers the electrical bill for producing one serving bowl made out of green steel. This has been tested in Sweden already and we are going absolute suicide by planning to upscale this. One factory making green steel needs its own nuclear power plant of energy to produce without downtime it’s crazy when you think about it as we are doing wind based power now. How many windmills will you need per factory you think?

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Ok_Champion6840 OP t1_j6j5wbc wrote

Never heard someone call a GW wind turbine a windmill except for former president the white scrotus. In any case, as with all other arguments around gas heat, gas stoves, etc, we need to leverage economies of scale to produce clean power and distribute it where needed for all kinds of uses. Thankfully it can be transmitted over wires, generated locally, accommodate virtual power plants, will benefit from nuclear fission or fusion (when or if that comes about) or hydro power or geothermal applications.

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pyrilampes t1_j6hz4bm wrote

Oh.. so we invest less than 1/20 of the CEO od Lucid Motors salary? Level of effort is pretty low.

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Alioshia t1_j6jmtpy wrote

120 mil to add food dye.. wonderful...

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lvl1developer t1_j6hb7uw wrote

I guess we can stop blaming the latest three presidents on losing steel jobs.

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Andyclimactic t1_j6hbfh2 wrote

Green steel is often used to make bombs. Huge order came in right after 9/11 at the steel plant my dad worked at.

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