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My_Wholesome_Acc t1_j2a8xko wrote

Only people who aren't Brazilian can be happy for any of this guy's actions.

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dbgzeus t1_j2ap2j1 wrote

Buddy, I’m Brazilian and loving this very much!

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My_Wholesome_Acc t1_j2aqdwj wrote

Definitely not on the majority of the population. This dude sucks, he is a sentenced criminal who has made very homophobic and sexist remarks in the past, but who gets a pass for that since he is a leftist.

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CastroVilarinho t1_j2axpot wrote

Lula made these bad comments in a time where "viado" was seen as jokes. In other hand, Bolsonaro played with the death rate of Brazilians during covid, made an interview about our PIB with a comedian that talked about bananas... homophobic? He always has been.

Call my english bad, but at least I am not here spiting shit. They cant be compared

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My_Wholesome_Acc t1_j2b33ud wrote

Bolsonaro's actions aren't relevant for analyzing whether Lula was a sentenced criminal who did homophobic and sexist remarks or not. I'm not comparing them, I'm making an objective assessment about Lula only.

Plus, the time at which he did the homophobic and sexist remarks is irrelevant, and even if it wasn't, some of these remarks are recent, so your argument would still be faulty.

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ElderlyOogway t1_j2ck27x wrote

Brazil man. Marina is personally opposed to gay marriage (despite politically being neutral) as she stated in her 2016 presidential run. The south and middlewest hate gay, the north dislike gays, northeast can be okay as long as you keep to yourself due to religion, and southeast is half acceptance, half lamp in your face. Our current and recent constitution was made by outspoken homophobes and the right for gay "marriage" (not considered marriage, but stable union due to electorate bigotry) came as recently 2013, NOT by the will of our democracy or elected leaders, but by the antimajoritarean and "currently most hated by the population" institute, The Supreme Court applying constitutional interpretation (thank God for them). And until this day they still suffer attacks from various sectors of society for that recent decision in 2013. In 2016 the first gay kissing scene in a novela happened, with major backlash. Half our media is owned by the same group that owns the biggest evangelical sector OF THE WORLD. If it depended on the legislative and this country political scenario, only one party would've been in favor then, a sadly seen as joke party.

So the fact that PT is now run by an old dude who's now in 2022 fighting not only for the legal, but social inclusion and open acceptance of gays is something your young mind doesn't understand. It's a huge progress. Being mad at this movement is as absurd as being mad the current leading opposition to the presidential office of Russia isn't also a trans person. Yes, sadly the reality of Brazil was and still is majorly conservative and religious, but by not framing progress in the reality upon on which it's happening is even worse – it's friendly fire. Not a single main candidate in this country, besides Lula2022 was (or have ever been) openly campaigning for gay rights as we're seeing right now. Don't shoot your own team if you're truly being sincere in your discourse.

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Floripa95 t1_j2e5ch7 wrote

I'm happy in the sense that it was either this guy or Bolsonaro again, and fuck me, even Lula manages to look good compared to Bolsonaro.

I don't think I'll ever in my life see a BR president that makes me think "finally, a good one was elected"

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