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marthirial2 t1_j06o4w7 wrote

Incorrect and poor reading comprehension. I am equating death by car to death by lethal injection of innocent people. Both victims didn't deserve to died. The lazy argument of just ban death penalty because they may execute an innocent person is my issue.

With cars, they made them safer and smarter. We have to find a better system to dispose of the worst. That is the argument we should have.

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CE3K t1_j06rji6 wrote

Right, so just a little heads up but saying someone has poor reading comprehension is an ad hominem and doesn't add anything to your point. Otherwise we might as well just take that final step straight to name calling and well .. while I'm always down for fucking around I don't think this subject is all that complicated so I'll give it the ole college try first.

Since you seem to think that not killing innocent people isn't a valid argument to ban the death penalty we already have an incredibly huge difference in values and morals, so I'll add more reasons. There's a lot but here's a few as to why the death penality is hot garbage.

  • It's ineffective / doesn't work as a deterrent
  • It's inhumane / retribution isn't justice
  • It's exploitative / history of racial and economic biases
  • It's costly / literally costs more than a life sentence

However, I will double back to the number one reason it's bad, which is a simple argument based on morality. And that is that it's irreversible. In other words, killing innocent people is bad mkay? Ask yourself this, assuming the parties involved are of no danger to anyone anymore, if you could kill someone evil but you had to kill an innocent person to do it, would you? It's really simple logic. Vengeance is no excuse to kill innocent people. I don't see how that's debatable but since we disagree on that then there's really nowhere to go further on that note.

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somepeoplewait t1_j06q8y2 wrote

The death penalty doesn’t deter crime and does cost more than simply keeping someone in prison for life. What purpose does it serve?

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novium258 t1_j06qjem wrote

"better for 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent suffer" is how Benjamin Franklin put it, feeling the usual ratio of 10:1 didn't seem strong enough to drive home his point.

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VanillaCookieMonster t1_j06v51n wrote

It is more likely that their reading comprehension is just fine - and your writing skills are flawed.

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AtsignAmpersat t1_j06w7bf wrote

You have some really false equivalency going on in your logic. Car accidents are not the same as incorrectly sentencing someone to death.

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DjDrowsy t1_j06zf7w wrote

Cars are useful for numerous reasons and car accidents are a natural result of cars being used. The death penalty is a completely revocable and preventable government policy that ends innocent peoples lives for no positive gain.

There an alternatives to the death penalty that dont end innocent peoples lives (or any lives!) and don't give governments the power to murder its citizens.

I personally dont trust the government to 1. Be competent enough to catch the correct person. 2. To end a person's life.

I'm uncomfortable with your "dispose of the worst" phrasing but I don't disagree that we should reform our prison system. It's just very clear that the death penalty is not the solution.

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euph_22 t1_j0772ol wrote

>With cars, they made them safer and smarter. We have to find a better system to dispose of the worst. That is the argument we should have.

We have that, it's called "don't execute them". Which incidentally is cheaper and has all the deterrent value.

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Phobia_Ahri t1_j06zd7c wrote

But cars are dogshit and ruin our cities and ecosystems. So yes actually, let's ban cars plz

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