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Orgidee t1_izm3bq8 wrote

Reply to comment by Grogosh in Native title granted to South Australian Wirangu people recognises it 'always will be Aboriginal land' by DaRedGuy

Stop exaggerating. Humans haven't existed always. Neither have they always inhabited Australia.

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Anskora t1_izmb9ft wrote

It has been their land for 80,000 years.

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Drakotrite t1_iznl8ef wrote

No it hasn't. The oldest signs of aboriginals in Australia only date to 47,000 years ago. Also, aboriginal Australians aren't a single nation, it is extremely unlikely that a single member nation has owned any piece of land for more than a thousand years. Next you will be arguing we should give Algeria back to the vandals.

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Anskora t1_iznqghh wrote

It is 80,000 years ago

https://rockartaustralia.org.au/australian-dig-finds-evidence-aboriginal-habitation-80000-years-ago/

And no, they aren't a single nation, that's why each group has claim to their specific land, not any more nor less.

And, the Aboriginal Australian version of possession of land is different than the European version, the land is not "owned" but rather it is tied to a people through religion, culture, hunting, etc.

Please learn something about Australia before making ridiculous comments

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Drakotrite t1_iznrfvr wrote

Did you actually look at the source you listed? The very next article explains why 80,000 years is wrong.

>but rather it is tied to a people through religion, culture, hunting, etc.

That's quite literally how every nation works. It's not some unique thing. Every nation has religious, cultural and resource tied to its land. Trying to claim this is an aboriginal idea is both racist, see the noble savage trope, and ignorant of European history and development.

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Orgidee t1_izn12pc wrote

Yes How long is always?

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Anskora t1_izn1jy8 wrote

If you want to get into the semantics of it, we can:

Always has always had a range of meanings, the most common being "forever" or "every single time"

Another common usage of it is using it to exaggerate sentences.

In this context, it is using definition number 2

Always has been their land means "it has been there land [for a very long time]"

Just like how European land is considered "always European", Aboriginal Australian land is considered "always Aboriginal Australian"

Another reason people say that is the Aboriginal Peoples of Australia have a unique connection to the land, more so than other cultures do to the land they are on

Their religion, lifestyle, presence, culture is uniquely tied directly to the land that they claim.

I'd suggest speaking to an Aboriginal Elder for a better explanation as I'm merely an Australian who only knows the gist of things

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