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Spicy_Sugary t1_it9hjdp wrote

Voting while on parole can attract a 20 year prison sentence which is far more than a lot of rapists and murderers get.

Screwy priorities.

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mortgoldman8 t1_it9sn2o wrote

That’s insane

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Spicy_Sugary t1_ita045e wrote

Yes. In Australia we let prisoners vote. They're still citizens.

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kf97mopa t1_itb7he3 wrote

This is standard in almost all of Europe. I know the UK was criticized for not allowing it, but I think most other countries do.

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Based_nobody t1_itbzw14 wrote

The US tends to have stuck to British style legal code so it seems like why we don't let them vote either. Some states do, of course, depending.

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nosotros_road_sodium OP t1_ita8dy4 wrote

True to form for the land of penal colonies.

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Criticalhit_jk t1_itaabtf wrote

In almost 100 years as a penal colony there were only about 168k prisoners, from like 3 different nations. 168k incarcerations... That's like any Monday morning in the states.

Where's the joke, now?

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Elite_Valkyrijn t1_itaskjv wrote

Who knows, it fell up into space.

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Aoiboshi t1_itb0wvm wrote

Down if you're in Australia.

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ramriot t1_itaz9br wrote

OMG those Australians must breed like frigging rabbits to get where they are now, plus 168K seems a little small for a viable gene pool.

[Edit] This is meant to be humor

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Zawn-_- t1_itb0u9o wrote

Apparently not. https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population#ref1215147

TLDR: 50 is enough to limit inbreeding and 500 is enough to limit genetic drift (idk what that is). This is an old rule however and has since been somewhat discredited. I think. I'm not that into this, i was briefly curious.

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hanniballz t1_itbblh2 wrote

our population bottlenecked to several thousand at one point in prehistory. yet we thrived afterward, so probably some truth to it.

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WilliamMorris420 t1_itbj9z8 wrote

But there's less genetic diversity on the entire human race than in one troop of monkeys.

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DutchNotSleeping t1_itbchs4 wrote

Not just Australia, most democracies. In the Netherlands too. It's just in the USA, where 2 parties control all the power, that voting rights are being taken away from minority groups. I mean, if (former) inmates can vote, throwing all black people in prison for non violent drug charges won't be as effective right?

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Kaos2025 t1_itaamyq wrote

The US was also a penal colony let’s tell the truth lol

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Billy1121 t1_itadth0 wrote

Georgia was said to be, but really they went to Massachusetts and Maryland as indentured types

> It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to the Americas this way, and the majority landed in the Chesapeake Colonies of Maryland and Virginia. Transported convicts represented perhaps one-quarter of Britons that left the country during the 18th century.

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Traevia t1_itbsjq1 wrote

The USA was a company town. Almost all of the original people who set up cities, towns, farms, etc did so in support of a company.

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gregorydgraham t1_itayd34 wrote

Yes, in New Zealand we let prisoners vote. They’re still citizens.

Let’s be clear here: Australia has actual concentration camps and has deported Aboriginals BUT they’re not big enough assholes to deny prisoners the vote. Sort your shit out.

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itb777f wrote

Tell me you believe anything you see on Fox News without telling me.

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gregorydgraham t1_itb7ae9 wrote

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/471807/australian-govt-abandons-battle-over-ruling-that-aboriginal-people-cannot-be-deported

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itb7wzu wrote

I'm familiar with the case. A white New Zealand citizen was convicted of beating his ex wife was at risk of deportation. He found a family member with Aboriginal heritage and used it to claim he's Aboriginal.

He could not be deported because the law does not allow Aboriginal people to be deported. So it's the opposite of what you claimed.

Now tell us about the 'concentration camps'. Should be fun.

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gregorydgraham t1_itb86p8 wrote

Nah mate, this case is because they deported him.

Having won the case, because it’s obviously absurd, he’s allowed back into Australia

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itb8tlf wrote

Each of the men in the article (that you haven't read) were white foreign nationals born overseas at risk of deportation until they found a way to claim Aboriginal heritage. Then so they could not be deported because we can't deport Aboriginal people

So it's the literal opposite of what you claimed.

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gregorydgraham t1_itb9e8e wrote

From the article:

“Thoms was released from immigration detention immediately after the court issued its judgement. … The court found immigration laws did not apply to Thoms, who was a recognised native title holder.”

Thoms is “recognised native title holder”, that is an Aboriginal, who was in immigration detention, that is being deported, and the Government did their utmost to get him deported.

Quibble if you want but Australia deported Aborigines.

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itba3aw wrote

"That case had been brought by two men, Brendan Thoms and Daniel Love, who were born overseas and faced deportation after stints in jail."

Again they were able to be deported as foreign nationals. Once they used the loophole that doesn't allow Aboriginal people to be deported, they were allowed to stay because we can't deport Aboriginal people.

My dog learns quicker than this.

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gregorydgraham t1_itbamxw wrote

You keep believing the High Court is a normal part of immigration bureaucracy mate, I’ll be over here enjoying my homemade grapefruit beer

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itbb9p1 wrote

Great. Now tell us about those 'concentration camps.

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gregorydgraham t1_itbfnkd wrote

Manus island, Christmas Island

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Spicy_Sugary t1_itbgx7i wrote

They're immigration detention centres. New Zealand has them too.

You should sort your country's shit out. And stop lying on the internet.

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gregorydgraham t1_itbp18t wrote

Really? NZ has detention centres in Papúa New Guinea and Nauru? Seriously? Stop lying and wake up to how awful Australia actually is

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RunawayHobbit t1_itb0z8n wrote

DEPORTED Aboriginals??? They deported the natives?? To where???

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TKler t1_itb75ma wrote

You work of a narrow western understanding of country.

Resettling natives is deportation, as you force them to leave their country.

They just don't leave your country.

edit: of instead of is

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Thykothaken t1_itb7zum wrote

>You work is

That typo threw me for a good loop.

But yeah, that's interesting! If they already had their own version of countries and are forced to move, then to the rest it's "just" resettling while to them it's straight up deportation.

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bingojed t1_itav3lt wrote

FYI US was used as a penal colony also.

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Traevia t1_itbsroi wrote

It was a company town. Most of the ventures were financed from companies. Indentured servitude is a lot different and was working for a company for a set period in exchange for the voyage costs.

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destruc786 t1_itbmmzh wrote

Not in the US, once they are in jail they are government subsidized slaves for the private prison system. It’s fucked.

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alexanderpas t1_itc4qnv wrote

Which is explicitly permitted by the US constitution too.

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throw4jklfj t1_itcsv8n wrote

Hence why constitutionalists are some of the worst people around. They want to uphold a bigoted document that a sane country would have rewritten by now.

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iwishiwereyou t1_itdkd4m wrote

God but if we were to try to rewrite the constitution now with the fucking lunatics, fascists, and bigots that hold roles of power, we'd be so fucked.

Some right wing extremists really do want to rewrite the constitution. It would go very badly.

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daverapp t1_ita7xhi wrote

Unfortunately they're also still Australians.

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sybrwookie t1_itbh3jm wrote

When the goal is to get at least some people to go, "I dunno, I just got off probation a few months/years ago, I'm not taking the chance" and not voting, it's less insane and more evil.

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-shabushabu t1_itad1tn wrote

Almost exclusively going after black and brown people... The white retirement community that did literal voter fraud by voting multiple times for trump not only didn't get arrested but weren't punished at all... they got a warning and were told to be nice and not do it again...

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blorbagorp t1_itab0bw wrote

Shouldn't that make them completely tax exempt? You know, the whole no taxation without representation thing we kind of fought the war of independence for??

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Alazypanda t1_itaeaup wrote

I'm on the east coast and often go to DC, their license plate says taxation without representation. Because ya know they don't really get a say in congress despite having a higher population than 2 states.

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KalessinDB t1_itchz2m wrote

They don't get a say in the House of Lords Senate, which arguably should be abolished anyway. They have a member in the House of Representatives.

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winterwolf07 t1_itadcqi wrote

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if this is legally defined somewhere or if it could be argued in court to get out of paying taxes.

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MozeeToby t1_itat646 wrote

"No taxation without representation" was a rallying cry of the revolution, not government policy or federal law. There are lots of people in the US with no representation at the federal level who still pay federal taxes, the most obvious of which is the entire population of Washington DC.

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jdv23 t1_itbppk9 wrote

And all non-citizen residents. I’m a British immigrant who gets taxed without being able to vote. One day I’m going to snap and throw all your coffee in the harbor

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get_the_guillotines t1_itbazpa wrote

Because protecting conservatives from voters is more important than protecting anyone else from rape or murder

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sybrwookie t1_itbh6ul wrote

Because really, if it's a legitimate rape, I'm told she can just shut that whole thing down.

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mid9012 t1_itbte95 wrote

This is what institutional racism looks like

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Sharkivore t1_itbhejg wrote

Not screwy.

Obvious, transparent, and meant to reduce the amount of lower-class citizens that vote.

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earhere t1_itbyoo2 wrote

Meanwhile people in Florida actually committed voter fraud (voting twice) and all they got was 50 hours community service and forced to take a civics class.

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koopz_ay t1_itac80n wrote

I wonder how many Republicans have been caught out now?

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flargenhargen t1_itbp0gw wrote

> Screwy priorities.

Their priority is taking and keeping power, this is about suppressing democracy, nothing more.

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sambull t1_itbr82h wrote

Good thing they stop the taxes once you loose representation..

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chaoz2030 t1_itc45f2 wrote

High treason only gets you 4 months in jail

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skiingredneck t1_itc0ujg wrote

You’re comparing a maximum to an average…

Apples, oranges…

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