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bad_kitty881148 t1_it6ktdp wrote

What great news! I hope the rest of the world follows suit

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AMeanCow t1_it86fn0 wrote

There are a lot of countries that are adopting this as policy, I actually am impressed and didn't really expect so many countries to actually recognize these creatures as deserving of rights as soon as they have, I thought it would be another a century honestly.

There's still a long way to go (stinkeye aimed at Japan) and an absolute ecological disaster coming that may make all these efforts irrelevant in the end, but for now at least it's good to see every time another country passes these measures.

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ChronWeasely t1_it7va2t wrote

Zoos? Crucial to maintaining biodiversity in light of man-made climate change.

Shows which exploit the animals? GTFO

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ScfAnarchy t1_it7geyy wrote

I wish, anything that people can make money off of will stay in most places

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Whalebeachedman t1_it6h3pe wrote

As a Mexican, I only now found out that we have a Parliam—oh wait, we don't. We have a bicameral congress.

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cbbuntz t1_it8eil7 wrote

Someone should tell your prime minister

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VictoryNapping t1_it8x48g wrote

I'm always confused for a few seconds each time it happens, but in some places it's apparently common to use the term "parliament" as a generic term instead of using "legislature" in English. I guess it makes sense due to most parliamentary countries using completely different terms (e.g. the Japanese Diet, the Russian Duma, etc...), but it still feels like legislature is a better catch-all.

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Whalebeachedman t1_it9iuv8 wrote

The worst part is that the article specifically mentions that it was approved by one chamber and sent to the senate, so saying the entire congress OR parliament would be incorrect.

Damn it, /u/XS4Me, should've read the article.

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spm7368 t1_it6q97u wrote

Thank god. I don’t understand how people can lack empathy for marine mammals.

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PickledPokute t1_it7s4bs wrote

I for one support the mammal supremacy over other lifeforms.

In before octopus and sharks performing tricks.

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bob0979 t1_it92cnt wrote

🤓Did you forget corvids sweaty? They're highly intelligent and I think it's disgusting you don't respect them. /s

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PickledPokute t1_it9e94d wrote

When you get the corvids doing underwater tricks, I'll them respect, just because of you, Unidan.

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Dripping_Gravy t1_it8z00m wrote

That’s great! Now, what about all the bull fighting?

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sarahmagoo t1_it79sqi wrote

Hot take: training marine mammals with positive reinforcement for shows is enriching and beneficial for the animal.

Zoos train animals all the time for husbandry reasons (step on scales, enter crate etc), the only difference between that training and training a dolphin to jump for a show is that one is entertaining to guests and one isn't.

This study suggests that shows are not stressful to dolphins.

> Any behavioral change that may be regarded as anticipatory behavior was not evidently abnormal or stereotypic in nature, and breathing rates remained stable indicating that the animals do not perceive the shows as stressful or as an aversive experience. Additionally, behavior and level of activity remained stable following the sessions.

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bourbonandcustard t1_it7fkpt wrote

Ok but they could just not keep them in captivity in the first place.

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sarahmagoo t1_it7g1nf wrote

Well the fact is they ARE in captivity and banning shows achieves nothing for the animals other than making people feel good.

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AMeanCow t1_it88f6e wrote

You're poorly educated on this topic and trying to argue for enslaving sapient creatures for human entertainment. It's not a good look.

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scattingcougar t1_it81q6p wrote

Do you not think banning shows would negate the need for keeping them in captivity?

Of course there are already lots kept in captivity, but banning shows would significantly reduce (if not eliminate) the need for this.

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cutezie t1_itagt5z wrote

> banning shows achieves nothing for the animals other than making people feel good.

Wait... are you against this because you think it's "cancel culture"? You think people are only doing this because of some kind of performative display of virtue?

If so, that's horrific and you probably need to reexamine how much propaganda you're swallowing. We're talking about intelligent creatures here, every study in the world has shown conclusively that captive conditions radically reduce the lifespans and emotional health of dolphins and whales. This isn't a partisan social issue, it's literally the moral advancement of our species.

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AMeanCow t1_it87sp0 wrote

>training marine mammals with positive reinforcement for shows is enriching and beneficial for the animal

This isn't a hot take, it's a bad and dumb take.

The study says that they get excited for rewards in an environment that they've become comfortable in, that does NOT equate to longer and healthier lives, and will only apply in captive situations where the animals are well maintained and cared for - this is NOT the average in the many thousands of marine mammal shows across the world. And this study is specifically looking at if performing in shows is stressful, not their overall quality of life.

Yes, someone can be happy and comfortable in captivity if someone is given enough stimulation and activities and rewards. Doesn't make it "Not prison" only that the conditions can be made to be acceptable during certain activities.

>"The average survival time in captivity for all bottlenose dolphin individuals who lived more than one year is 12 years, 9 months and 8 days – much lower than the wild where they live to between 30 and 50 years."

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PPP1737 t1_it8gls3 wrote

Yay.

  • turns to look sternly at sea world in the US*
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broom-handle t1_it6v1fn wrote

Can we ban the people that find this type of thing entertaining?

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AMeanCow t1_it86wrx wrote

People who want to see these creatures captive simply do not understand or have never been educated or they were never inspired to learn about other living things.

The reason many countries are adopting these policies that give marine mammals rights is because of the spread of information, major documentaries and the internet in general reaching people and showing people that many of these mammals have actual sapience and that watching captive creatures is similar to watching people in prison.

So the internet has done some good at least. For everything else it just has curdled society into distinct pockets of shitmouthed freaks.

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robertgrayson t1_it94cjw wrote

It's great to see everyone so passionate about animal rights. Just a friendly reminder that your eating habits might have a negative impact on some animals' quality of life, too.

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arrozconfrijol t1_itasmg3 wrote

This is a better version of a law they tried to pass before, that would have left the government in charge of a bunch of dolphin that have never known life in the wild. As a Mexican, I would not trust the current Mexican government to care for the dolphins. They did this with circus animals and it was a disaster.

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SirGlenn t1_it7bkjj wrote

They're very smart animals, maybe they enjoy it, they do have the ability to just swim away. My dog used to like playing fetch the ball, maybe 6 or 7 times, then he'd take it to a shady area and lay down.

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ladymarian001 t1_it7dlnw wrote

Yes, because you would LOVE being enclosed in a tiny space waiting until they let you out and force you with food to do stupid tricks.

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sladebonge t1_it6gg0d wrote

This is their primary concern? No wonder the people there all flee to America.

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XS4Me OP t1_it6gjz8 wrote

> primary concern

would you point out where in the article does it state that this is a primary concern?

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sladebonge t1_it6gp7m wrote

I was gonna read it, but then i just sort of went on with my life instead.

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Whalebeachedman t1_it6hkyu wrote

While it is well-established that online media loves cheap click bait ledes that drive traffic, one need look no further than their local resident reddit expert to figure out that the truth clearly, oh-so-obviously, actually lies in a massive government conspiracy linking a single minor legislative draft to a decades-old illegal migrant movement across borders.

> I was gonna read it, but then I just sort of paused my life to make a terribly ignorant comment instead.

FTFY

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Dant3nga t1_it7v5oa wrote

Lmao are you only able to worry about one problem until it is fixed?

If so,

Life must be rough for you, my condolences.

Mexico, similar to many people, can take care of multiple problems at once. It's called multitasking.

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